Good-Bye Cruel Free Republic

6-16-02 | wasfree

[magnum opus dejure]

Well, it's been 4 years since I first found Free Republic. I have always felt like I belonged here and have really enjoyed the banter back and forth between us members. I am afraid all this is now over. I am really suprised and shocked at it's suddenness. Before I leave I want to thank a freeper from Michigan who sent me a DVD player last year to give to my kids for Christmas. You reaffirmed my faith in humanity.

I know this thread will be deleted before many people get to read it, but I just can't go without saying a final word. Every since 911 the 'vibe' here at FR has been decidedly hostile. I guess it was a matter of time before the newbie moderator got around to weeding me out for my sometimes unpopular views. So I join the ranks of A+Bert and so many others who gave FR a interesting flavor. I will miss coming here 20 times a day and keeping up on things. But without posting priviledges there is just no point. I must go find another conservative group to try to be a part of.

In the future, when a freeper who has been a loyal member since August 1998 crosses the line, how about a note instead of banning? Would that have been too much? I may have gotten out of line, how is beyond me, but if such a tresspass would have been pointed out I would gladly have refrained from doing so again. It is just not right to just ban an account with no explaination. Especially when the freeper has been here 4 years. I have no idea what I am going to do with my days now that I no longer have FR. Well, I guess I have said my part. It is a sad day when one has to leave family and friends. I feel like some of you were just that. But apparently I am no longer wanted around here. I bid my good day to you all and hope that karma pays it's respects to those who do injustice.

[Fred Mertz]

Is it okay with you if we incorporate that into your opus, which will, of course, be written by a "new screenname" or a friend of yours after you pass from this place?

Quit antagonizing. It ain't gonna happen. Sneakypete didn't name himself dummass.

[Angelique]

I am curious. When you invited to dinner, do you throw the food served at your host?

[Texasforever]

I reckon I missed that he gets a trial.

You have a history of that.

[parsifal]

Oh I can handle anger. (I've been married for 20 years!) I just hate to see good freepers get really, truly mad at each other. We are one very special family, after all. parsy the peaceful.

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

All I want is for people who may be innocent, to be given the chance to argue their case. We've seen that the government can act without just cause, as it did many times during the Clinton administration. The legal premise of Habeas Corpus at least allows an American citizen to defend himself because a charge is defined and leveled against them. The present circumstances has Padilla confined, indefinitely, with no charge and chance to refute the claims the government has made. This is bad precedent, Jim. This allows President Hillary to do this to us. The Friday Wall Street Journal made three recommendations that would be satisfactory. It would establish procedures that would protect our rights, while still allowing action against traitorous Americans when top secret considerations might prevent a standard civil criminal trial. I'll see if I can find the post. I need to live in a country where if you are innocent, you can defend yourself against an untrue charge levied against you by the government. 784 posted on 6/16/02 8:31 PM Pacific by Lazamataz

I gotta question to you both... (I am not Ex-Military, so I have to ask)... is there any established criteria, in War, for separating Traitors from Enemy Combatants?

It's actually an important question.

• In the case of Traitors: we ask questions first, and then shoot them -- which is Legally as it should be.
• In the case of Enemy Combatants: we shoot first, and ask questions later -- which is Militarily as it should be.

Jim, you're a veteran, and I am just asking a question -- who's a Traitor, and who's an Enemy Combatant?
Are there ANY protocols, or do we need to write some?

By the way -- Unless I am mistaken, Congressman Ron Paul did NOT authorize any "war". Rather, Congressman Ron Paul said that the only way to avoid a horrific Constitutional FUBAR was to formally declare War... otherwise, we have our Nationalist Heads up our Constitutional Arse.

On Bush's Illegal Undeclared War: Congressman Ron Paul, 10-29-2001

[RedBloodedAmerican]

Ignorance knows no shame.

[Great Dane]

Hey, I saw it with my own eyes. If I knew how to bring those posts up, I would. That old freak needed some serious psych help.

But wasn't he banned long before 911. ??

[Howlin]

Goodness, Fred, you've got a lot of nerve slamming somebody else for antagonizing.

[habs4ever]

Where is it that corners have been cut? Has Padilla received the due process he is entitled to as a enemy combatant? or, do you deny the Feds the right to call him that?

[strela]

We are one very special family, after all.

I agree. Which is why nothing I've seen posted in this thread bothers me that much. We fought like tigers in my family just about every day - seems perfectly normal to me.

[Roscoe]

Or did somebody elect Bin Laden to public office or appoint him as a judge in the US while I wasn't watching?

So the thousands of innocent American civilians he slaughtered in the sneak attack don't matter?

They didn't get a trial, they didn't get a hearing and they didn't even get a warning. So much for their due process.

[sneakypete]

AFAIK his h-b from the military jail has not been ruled on.

Do you know what the established time-frame is on this? Or even if there is one?

[another cricket]

You mis-read. I said, " hostile military force." Not just any military force. I have no problem with US citizens serving in the UK armed forces but I would have a problem with US citizens serving in the PRC People's Army.

Mercenaries take no oath of allegiance to their employer’s government. It is more a independent contract thing and each side is free to walk away.

a.cricket

[RedBloodedAmerican]

Gosh, and what's worse is they don't get to sleep in the dark in their comfy cells! Oh the horror of it all!

[Howlin]

Say, now that you bring up the gangs, wasn't this last guy a gansta? We may be out of style, you know?

[Kevin Curry]

The only thing that makes that one stand out is that it was more successful than earlier ones

I get it! The only thing that makes a 10 kiloton nuclear denoation stand out from a firecracker is that the nuke has a bigger (i.e., more "successful") explosion.

It's really easy to understand when you think about it!

You are so wise. You have the uncanny ability to place these things in perspective. Like you, I will henceforth no longer be worried about the possibility of terrorist nukes being detonated in one of our cities. Rather, I will only be worried about Bush, Rumsfeld, and Ashcroft "overreaching" as they strive to counter this terrorist threat.

[MileHi]

Is it okay with you if we incorporate that into your opus, which will, of course, be written by a "new screenname" or a friend of yours after you pass from this place?

If Jim is the man I believe he is, then sucking up won't buy you points. Butt out.

And I mean that in the best possible way...

[Fred Mertz]

Goodness, Fred, you've got a lot of nerve slamming somebody else for antagonizing.

Go put your rose colored glasses on. Oh, they are on. Pardon my mistake.

[Howlin]

And you would be who?

[mrsmith]

Just that it's pretty quick.
Should happen this week, or early next week at the latest.