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To: Tom D.
Why didn't he jump on Leahy last fall when, post-9/11, he had 90% approval ratings? Why didn't he do to Leahy what Clinton would have done to Gingrich?

If Bush jumped on Leahy, Leahy would tell Bush to go to hell. Leahy is from one of the most liberal states in the Union. What are you going to threaten him with? You can't defeat him. And he doesn't give a rat's a$$ about public opinion outside his own state. And if he gets into a hand to hand fight with Bush , his state will build Leahy a monument. Leahy is not screwing his secretary and cheating on his wife. Gingrich was. There is nothing to blackmail Leahy about.

This is garbage. There is only one way to get things done and that is to gain control of the senate.

In the USA about 1/3 of the voters are on the right and a 1/3 on the left. That leaves a third in the middle. If arguments that appeal to the left appealed to the center the the center would be leftist. If arguments that appeal to the right appealed to the center the the center would be conservative. The center reacts to different issues than the left or right. They (GASP) react to centerist issues.

When the left captures over half the center, they take control and move the nation to the left. When on rare occasions the right has found issues that appeal to the center the right has prevailed and moved the nation to the right. It ain't rocket science but it escapes many freepers.

To move the nation to the right, the center must be attracted to vote for the right. It should not take an overly large brain to figure out that the center does not react positively to the agenda of the right. So the right to be successful has to try to move the left to the left. That costs the left teh center. And the right must do things that make the center vote for the candiates of the right.

The left from FDR to Bill Clinton understood that you have to appeal to the center to win. Can you say "New Democrat"? I didn't think so. Can't you just hear the right wing idiots? "Just becuase it always works is no reason to do it." "We on the right should be about making everone like us." If that could be done... Everyone would be like us. Everone is not. In fact 2/3 are not like us. Never have been. Never will be. Get a Clue.

Bush is doing his best to make Daschle and company look like "OLD DEMOCRATS' and Bush and his gang look like NEW REPUBLICANS.

People on the right always think that the center will vote for the rights agenda. That fact that the center never has done so, doesn't phase them. The fact that he center votes for a centerist agenda escapes them.

The object then is appeal to the center enough to get the center to vote for the right. Bush is also trying to postion the Democrats to the left so they do lose the center.

BUSH HAS BEEN DOING EXACTLY THAT WITH GREAT SUCCESS. The Middle. Victory Lays in the MIDDLE. WIN THE MIDDLE Then and only then can the agenda of right be enacted.

What Part of Dubya's great success in reaching the middle, ticks you off the most?


8 posted on 06/15/2002 5:04:53 PM PDT by Common Tator
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To: Common Tator
think that the center will vote for the rights agenda. That fact that the center never has done so, doesn't phase them.

1994

9 posted on 06/15/2002 6:12:39 PM PDT by RJCogburn
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To: Common Tator
Thanks for your comments and bolding. Think someone needs to understand politics 101 around here which you are doing a great job of explaining!
14 posted on 06/15/2002 6:28:47 PM PDT by PhiKapMom
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To: Common Tator
In the USA about 1/3 of the voters are on the right and a 1/3 on the left. That leaves a third in the middle.

I'd refine that and say, 1/3 of the voters are on the right and know it, 1/3 are on the left and know it, and 1/3 are rather lefty and don't know it.

When leftists appeal to the center and win they move the country sharply left (eg FDR). When the right appeals to the center and wins, the country moves slightly left. One could point to certain exceptions such as welfare reform, but to me this is just taking a loony left policy and making it somewhat more reasonable, i.e. less loony. The welfare and tax regimes we live under are essentially leftist.

The only way for republicans to force change is to occupy all 3 elective bodies and stack the judiciary with their people. Even so, I doubt that government will shrink. It's growth might slow perceptably, but that's about all we can hope for. The tendency to drift leftward won't be stopped until the electorate is re-educated--probably a multi-generational project.

15 posted on 06/15/2002 6:31:32 PM PDT by ishmac
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To: Common Tator
When you have moved to the "center" and adopted all those Demo ideas and have won,--Uh, what have you won?
16 posted on 06/15/2002 6:32:53 PM PDT by edger
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To: Common Tator
Victory Lays in the MIDDLE. WIN THE MIDDLE Then and only then can the agenda of right be enacted.

It seems that the normal Republican response to a bad program proposed by the left is a to offer a 'lite' version of the same thing. Not only does this mean the leftists still get their way, albeit piecemeal, but it doesn't really do ANYTHING good for the Republicans, even short term.

If the Democrats propose spending $10,000,000 on some projects and the Republicans know the proposal will provide far less benefit at far greater cost than claimed, countering with a proposal to spend $5,000,000 is just plain stupid. It makes it nearly impossible to argue that the program is a bad idea and should be cut (since the Republicans, by their counter proposal, agree that the notion of such a program is a good thing), it lets the Democrats paint the Republicans as being 'obstructionists' who are 'beholden to special interests' (if the program is such a good thing--as the Republicans already concede it to be--it's hard to justify less than whole-hearted support), and it puts any blame for the program's failures squarely on the Republicans (overruns and service shortfalls are a consequence of the Republicans' refusal to budget enough money). What would be far better would be for the Republicans to make clear their intention to block the program and reasons for doing so. If they succeed, great; if not--if the Democrats push the program through over the Republicans' objections--any blame for the program's shortcomings will least squarely on the shoulders of the Democrats.

18 posted on 06/15/2002 6:43:22 PM PDT by supercat
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