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To: exmarine
Hey, Ex-Marine, I agree with you to a degree and certainly am not a subscriber to the theory that Islam is a peaceful religion.

What I am saying is that the face of modern Fundamentalist Islam is the face of the Wahhabi sect, that not all Muslims are Wahhabists, and that Wahhabism is NOT traditional Islam.

Anyone who has read a modicum of history knows that in the PAST, Christians and Jews fared far better under Islam than did Muslims under Christianity. Although in the PAST, Christians and Jews were allowed to practise their faith under Islam, Jews were barely tolerated, frequently persecuted and continually attacked under CHristian rule. Muslims under Christian rule were either exterminated or driven out - very quickly - most so-called "Christians" of the time apparently believing Muslims were Pagans as you seem to.

Islam, Christianity and Judaism have the same roots, worhsip essentially the same God and practise a religion based on morality and ethics. If anything, Islam and Judaism are purer forms of Monotheism than is Christianity with its confusing concept of three equal person in one devine entity.

Traditional Muslims believe in One God, they believe in all the Judaic prophets, they consider Christ the product of a Virgin Birth and the second most important prophet next to Mohammad. They also consider Jews and Christians as people of the Book, i.e. people whose religion is based on the same beliefs as theirs, yet not fully evolved as they have not accepted Mohammad and the Koran - sort of the same way Christians have traditionally accepted Jews - when they weren't burning them at the stake.

I hate people who are trying to kill me or destroy my country. I don't hate people because of their essential religious beliefs. They can believe what they want as long as thye leave me and my country alone and personally, I'd be happier if Muslism were kept out of here until this terrorism can be stopped. But I'm not a religious bigot. I think you are. All roads that lead to God are Good Roads, as long sa they are not built over the corpses of other Human Beings.

111 posted on 06/15/2002 8:20:10 PM PDT by ZULU
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To: ZULU
What I am saying is that the face of modern Fundamentalist Islam is the face of the Wahhabi sect, that not all Muslims are Wahhabists, and that Wahhabism is NOT traditional Islam.

You are wrong. Wahhabi sect does indeed represent fundamental islam because its tenets come straight from the Koran and the Hadith.

Anyone who has read a modicum of history knows that in the PAST, Christians and Jews fared far better under Islam than did Muslims under Christianity.

I have a degree in history, and I stating outright that Christians and Jews never fared well under Islam once it started spreading. Give me specific time period and locale where Christians ever fared well under Islam. Islam attacked Christendom first (look up the name "Charles Martel"). The Crusades came long after the muslims attacked Europe!

Islam, Christianity and Judaism have the same roots,

I fear it is you who need the history education. Islam came over 600 years after Christianity and the Koran gets many bible passages wrong! Allah is NOT the same God as Christians worship - many scholars have clearly shown that Allah was once a moon-god, a deity in a pantheon of 360 arabian gods. Clearly, the two concepts of who God is CONTRADICT each other and both cannot possibly be true.

125 posted on 06/17/2002 8:23:57 AM PDT by exmarine
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To: ZULU
I hate people who are trying to kill me or destroy my country. I don't hate people because of their essential religious beliefs.

I don't hate people - but I hate their satanic hateful religion. If their essential religious beliefs call for my desruction, then their religion must be destroyed first!

personally, I'd be happier if Muslism were kept out of here until this terrorism can be stopped. But I'm not a religious bigot. I think you are. All roads that lead to God are Good Roads, as long sa they are not built over the corpses of other Human Beings.

This statement shows your utter ignorance about islam. All roads lead to heaven eh? Let me put it to you simply and logically so you can understand. Islam claims Jesus Christ is not God, Christians claim He is. Islam claims that there is one God and He is not trinitarian, Christianity proclaims a Holy Trinity (Father, Son, Spirit). BOTH CANNOT BE TRUE. Get it? Do you think the REAL God values truth? Do you think that it matters to God if we believe in the Real God or do you think He just overlooks it when we worship other false Gods...that as long as one is "sincere" in their belief, God approves? Hitler was sincere in his beliefs; Stalin was sincere in his atheism; the muslim terrorists who murder women and children are certainly sincere in their beliefs. All roads DO NOT lead to heaven pal. Jesus Christ said, "I am the way, the Truth and the life and no man comes to the Father but by me." Either Jesus is a liar or islam is a liar. Which is it?

126 posted on 06/17/2002 8:31:37 AM PDT by exmarine
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