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To: ZULU
What I am saying is that the face of modern Fundamentalist Islam is the face of the Wahhabi sect, that not all Muslims are Wahhabists, and that Wahhabism is NOT traditional Islam.

You are wrong. Wahhabi sect does indeed represent fundamental islam because its tenets come straight from the Koran and the Hadith.

Anyone who has read a modicum of history knows that in the PAST, Christians and Jews fared far better under Islam than did Muslims under Christianity.

I have a degree in history, and I stating outright that Christians and Jews never fared well under Islam once it started spreading. Give me specific time period and locale where Christians ever fared well under Islam. Islam attacked Christendom first (look up the name "Charles Martel"). The Crusades came long after the muslims attacked Europe!

Islam, Christianity and Judaism have the same roots,

I fear it is you who need the history education. Islam came over 600 years after Christianity and the Koran gets many bible passages wrong! Allah is NOT the same God as Christians worship - many scholars have clearly shown that Allah was once a moon-god, a deity in a pantheon of 360 arabian gods. Clearly, the two concepts of who God is CONTRADICT each other and both cannot possibly be true.

125 posted on 06/17/2002 8:23:57 AM PDT by exmarine
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To: exmarine
"You are wrong. Wahhabi sect does indeed represent fundamental islam because its tenets come straight from the Koran and the Hadith."

I am not asserting that Islam is a peaceful religion. I am asserting that Wahhabi Islam is responsible for the violence and aggression generated in the Islamic world today. There are Islamic sects like the Sufis which are non-violent. Like most religious books, you can extract whatever you want to justify anything from the Koran or the Bible for that matter. There ARE Muslims out there who are non-vilent and are intimadated by the Wahhabis, who control the Islamic holy sites and the oil wealth WE give them with our petrodollars.

"I have a degree in history, and I stating outright that Christians and Jews never fared well under Islam once it started spreading. Give me specific time period and locale where Christians ever fared well under Islam. Islam attacked Christendom first (look up the name "Charles Martel"). The Crusades came long after the muslims attacked Europe! "

One of the reasons that Islam was so successful in overrunning the middle east and Egypt and north Africa was because the native populations there found the Muslims did not interfere with or oppress them in the practise of the versions of Christianity they professed which differed from the orthodox version enforced by the Byzantine Emperor.

There was a thriving non-Catholic Christian community in Jerusalem and a thriving Jewsih quarter there under Islam before the arrival of the Crisaders. Once Jerusalem was captured, the eastern Christians found themselves either masacred with the Muslim population, or relegated to a status far worse than anything they experienced under the Muslims. The Jews were simply exterminated.

At times in the Balkans, the various Christian sects there were better off and kept peace with one another under Ottoman Islamic control.

Even today, there are Christian communities in Egypt and Iraq which can still practise their beliefs. As soon as the Christians took over Spain and Sicily, they exterminated, forcibly converted or drove out ALL Muslims from the territiory under their control.

Jewish scholars and Jews themselves were well treated and tolerated under the Ottomans and the medieval Islamic rulers of north Africa, Spain and the Middle East. In Christian Europe, Jews were continually subjected to brutal pograms, and even in some cases such as Spain and England, driven from the Country.

Fundamentalist Islam today is not the same creature as the Islam of the Middle Ages or even of the later Ottoman Empire.

"I fear it is you who need the history education. Islam came over 600 years after Christianity and the Koran gets many bible passages wrong! Allah is NOT the same God as Christians worship - many scholars have clearly shown that Allah was once a moon-god, a deity in a pantheon of 360 arabian gods. Clearly, the two concepts of who God is CONTRADICT each other and both cannot possibly be true."

True, Islam came 600 years after Christ. However, Islam is a montheistic religion. Muslims accept the Jewsih Prophets and Christ as prophets of God and honor them as such. They consider themselves followers of the same religious thread as that of Moses and Christ. They consideer the Koran their sacred text, but also revere the Bible as they feel their religion and the prophecies of Mohammad are based on Biblical foundations.

Neither I, nor any Muslims I know of consider Allah a pagan moon god. Every authority I have read, Christian and Muslim equates Allah with Yahweh and the "God" of the Christians.

128 posted on 06/17/2002 9:37:47 AM PDT by ZULU
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