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Ten Misconceptions About Islam
Trinity of Light ^ | FR Post 06-13-02 | Editorial Staff

Posted on 06/13/2002 3:17:42 PM PDT by vannrox

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To: vannrox
Thanks for posting some favorable views of Islam.

Prepare to be verbally assaulted now by the usual assortment of bigots, jerks, and liars who are undermining our war effort by attacking all Muslims.

81 posted on 06/14/2002 4:03:14 AM PDT by wotan
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To: wotan
undermining our war effort by attacking all Muslims.

How does attacking all Muslims undermine our efforts in our war against nearly all Muslims?

82 posted on 06/14/2002 4:34:24 AM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: lavaroise
? Not really understanding your meaning.
83 posted on 06/14/2002 4:49:40 AM PDT by Iwentsouth
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
How does attacking all Muslims undermine our efforts in our war against nearly all Muslims?

Don't you get it? Victims of violent and obsene muslim conversion movement should not hate. THey are prosecuted by muslims but they sure as heck should be prosecuted for resisting that prosecution. (sarcasm)

84 posted on 06/14/2002 8:14:25 AM PDT by lavaroise
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To: vannrox
He, the Exalted, does not get tired, does not have a son ie Jesus or have associates, nor does He have human-like attributions as found in other faiths.

I'm sorry, Jesus and The Holy Spirit sets Christianity totally apart from Judaism and Islam. Jews should acknowledge Him as Lord en masse because they had so many rich pointers to His coming. As Paul explained in Romans, though, they are experiencing a hardening in part until the full number of Gentiles come in.

The Christian message alone preaches Jesus crucified for our sins...God's GIFT to us. And only the Christian message preaches Christ risen, with the gift of the Holy Spirit sent to us NOW, as a wonderful Counselor.

No, God does have "associates" and the satan hiding behind the cordial words above wastes no opportunity to deny it.

85 posted on 06/14/2002 8:44:56 AM PDT by avenir
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To: vannrox
Misconception one is not a misconception - IT IS THE TRUTH. The muslim religion is a violent religion with a violent past and a violent founder prophet. History doesn't lie. Many so-called "muslims" are non-violent - these are the liberal muslims who do NOT follow the Koran. Those who follow the Koran are of the bin Laden ilk, and they are in fact the fundamentalist muslims - the true muslims. Islam is a violent false religion.

Dr. Robert Morey and many other objective scholars have traced the origins of "Allah" to the moon-god "Al Ilah". Islam has pagan origins. The moon-god was one of 360 gods on the pantheon of arabic gods. Al Ilah was married to the sun god (a female) and they had three children. Does this sound monotheistic to you?

This thread is mere propaganda. And it is based on lies not scholarship. True scholarship clearly reveals Islam to have pagan origins.

86 posted on 06/14/2002 9:04:42 AM PDT by exmarine
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To: MattGarrett
So I'd suggest you stop plugging bandwidth with propaganda and get your ass in gear ...

I saw a Pakistani man last night on Hardball (he was on with Zogby) discussing the propriety of using the term "Islamist" to descibe our current enemy. He was vehemently pro-America and flatly stated that he left his homeland of Pakistan because he wanted to be free and that he could only find such freedom in America.

There was no faint praise coming from him. He said loud and clear "I am on America's side." Rare isn't it?

87 posted on 06/14/2002 9:08:41 AM PDT by avenir
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To: wotan
I don't attack all muslims, but I am able to point out the pagan origins of islam and the many falsehoods about its origins and about Mohammed. For one thing, Mohammed was NOT sinless - sinless people do not ask for forgiveness 70 times a day as Mohammed did. Sinless people do not attack caravans and murder innocent people as Mohammed did. Sinless people do not keep black slaves as Mohammed did (and mistreat them). Check the Hadith - it's all in there.

I think the best way to win the war on terrorism is to tell them that if they attack us again, Mecca will be destroyed. This will surely work. Islam cannot exist without Mecca - it is TIED TO THAT PLACE. In destroying Mecca, we will show the world, and the oppressed peoples of these muslim countries just how impotent this Allah really is. I believe about 20% are militant muslims - the rest are just nominal muslims who are not religious, and will bolt this false religion as soon as it is shown how impotent it is. This is the one thing the terrorists fear - destruction of islam. No one can stop the U.S. from destroying Mecca - and it would save millions of lives.

88 posted on 06/14/2002 9:19:32 AM PDT by exmarine
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To: Mike Darancette
"Are infidels Innocents?"

That is the crux of the matter. The Islamic fanatics understand that Mohammad wasn't referring to Christians and Jews as innocents. They were to be converted or killed. The post above is just more from the father of liars (Satan). The main reason I know that Islam is crap is that Islam teaches that Jesus was not the Son of God. The Apostle Paul stated that this is how you can test the spirits. If the spirit says that Jesus is NOT the Son of God, then it is from Satan.

Oh yeah, and the ability to believe your eyes and ears would also lead you to believe Islam is evil as well. "By their deeds you shall know them" or something to that effect.

89 posted on 06/14/2002 9:44:22 AM PDT by cmak9
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To: SevenDaysInMay
War is a blessing for the world and for all nations. It is God who incites men to fight and to kill. The Koran says, "Fight until all corruption and all rebellion have ceased." The wars the Prophet led against the infidels were a blessing for all humanity. Imagine that we soon will win the war. That will not be enough, for corruption and resistance to Islam will still exist. The Koran says, "War, war until victory! . . ." The mullahs with corrupt hearts who say that all this is contrary to the teachings of the Koran are unworthy of Islam. Thanks to God, our young people are now, to the limits of their means, putting God's commandments into action. They know that to kill the unbelievers is one of man's greatest missions.

Ayatollah Khomeini, Mohammed's birthday, 1984

The Qur'an tells us: "not to make friendship with Jews and Christians" (5:51), "kill the disbelievers wherever we find them" (2:191), "murder them and treat them harshly" (9:123), "fight and slay the Pagans, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem" (9:5). The Qur'an demands that we fight the unbelievers, and promises "If there are twenty amongst you, you will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, you will vanquish a thousand of them" (8:65).

Institute for the Secularisation of Islamic Society

90 posted on 06/14/2002 9:50:19 AM PDT by CyberCowboy777
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To: Richard Axtell
Most Muslims, especially, apparently, American apologists for Islam, shy away from the Wahhabi issue.

There are exceptions. There are Muslims out there who recognize Wahhabism for the revisionist kind of violent, intolerant, hateful belief it is, which is responsible for not only acts of violence against non-Muslims, but also against those Muslims who disagree with its agenda of intolerance, violence and hatred, like the Sufi sect - a pacificistic Islamic group pretty thoroughly stamped out in the Saudi Sheikdom by the Wahhabist majority there.

Also, since the Wahhabis control the sacred places of Islam - Mecca, Medina, etc, as well as the petrodollars of the Sheikdoms, they wield immense power in the Islamic world. Finally, most Mosques in the U.S. and western Europe are run by these vile and vicious people.

There is much in Islam that is admirable. Muslims DO worship the same God we do. But there appears to be considerable dichotomies in several parts of the Koran and the teachings of Mohammad, and a large gap exists between the perception of Islam as a "peaceful" religion and its practise in many parts of the world.

Regardless of how this writer presents his arguments and how one views Islam in general, Wahhabism is a vicious, dangerous, violent, anti-western and anti-American cult and, as such, neither it nor its practititioners should be protected within the United States or indeed withi the borders of any civilized western nation.

What I have said about Wahhabism can also be extended to Shiism.

91 posted on 06/14/2002 10:00:33 AM PDT by ZULU
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To: vannrox
If you are really a libertarian, you certainly wouldn't appreciate life under a Wahhabist theocracy - however short and miserable that might be for you as a non-Muslim.
92 posted on 06/14/2002 10:02:23 AM PDT by ZULU
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To: vannrox
Yep, three year olds being taught that Jews are pigs who deserve to die violently, along with Christians who support them, is the outcome of a real peaceful religion.
93 posted on 06/14/2002 10:06:52 AM PDT by bloodmeridian
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To: ZULU
...There are Muslims out there who recognize Wahhabism for the revisionist kind of violent, intolerant, hateful belief it is, which is responsible for not only acts of violence against non-Muslims... Revisionist? Hardly. The Koran (passages can be cited if you need them) and history support the FACT that the violent, aggressive wahhabi style Islam is the fundamentalist sect of Islam, and militate against your theory. Nothing revisionist about it.

Islam is not peace. Islam is violence and death and repression. One need look no further than every single islamic country on earth to see the persecution of every non-muslim, not to mention the dictatorial styles of governments used by islamic countries. Islam is not peace. I reject your theory and I reject the U.S. govt's official position that islam is peace and that all religions are equally true. Logic itself disproves that all relgions are equally true.

94 posted on 06/14/2002 10:35:06 AM PDT by exmarine
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To: ZULU
There is much in Islam that is admirable. Muslims DO worship the same God we do.

Bzzzt. Wrong! Muslims reject the triune God of Christianity and they reject Christ as the Son of God. This automatically MEANS that they do not worship the same God as Christians. And logic requires that the muslim view of God and the Christian view of God CANNOT BOTH BE TRUE. Your statement is thus proven absurd.

95 posted on 06/14/2002 11:04:36 AM PDT by exmarine
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To: vannrox
On Jihad:

Strike terror into the hearts of the enemies of Allah and your enemies. Surah 8:60

Fight, kill them (non muslims ) and Allah will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame. Surah 9:14

O Ye who believe! Fight the unbelievers, let them find harshness in you and know Allah is with those who fear him. Surah 9:123


From the sayings of Mohammed:
I Have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, none has the right to be worshipped but Allah. Al-Bukhari Vol 4:196


BROUGHT TO YOU BY THE RELIDION OF PEACE (Tm)

96 posted on 06/14/2002 11:07:03 AM PDT by Kozak
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To: lds23
I'm not a Christian, and I live by that concept.
97 posted on 06/14/2002 11:10:21 AM PDT by stuartcr
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To: joesnuffy
Note to all humans, God is God, doesn't matter what you call Him.
98 posted on 06/14/2002 11:22:17 AM PDT by stuartcr
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To: stuartcr;exmarine
Muslims DO worship the same God we do.

Sorry, this isn't about what to "call" GOD, but whether the 'names' EQUAL one another.......


If A equals B and
B equals C then

A equals C

(Basic Algebra&Geometry)


If JESUS equals 'generic god' and
ALLAH equals 'generic god' then
JESUS equals ALLAH is NOT true!
99 posted on 06/14/2002 3:20:52 PM PDT by Elsie
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To: stuartcr
I'm not a Christian, and I live by that concept.
Why not?
100 posted on 06/14/2002 3:24:12 PM PDT by Elsie
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