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Posted on 06/13/2002 3:17:42 PM PDT by vannrox
WHAT A JOKE! The Muslims DID try to take Europe by force, and that led to a series of wars we like to call THE CRUSADES.
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One gets on thin philosophical eggshells when one says everyone, all, or none. One can (accurately) say many, the majority of, most, or almost all...but to say every single one is likely to be wrong. However, interactions don't require that we be able to specify that all members of a group behave in a certain way. The preponderance of behvaior will suffice.
If this were true then it would indicate that the Bosian Conflict is but a small sample of what the World can expect to experience.
Give it time. I strongly suspect that it will occur. As for when, I've no idea.
That frightens me.
Me too.
As it indicates that the Crusades and the environment that resulted in the Dark Ages is about to go, once again, into full bloom. I am only hope that this is not the case.
Oh, I doubt it will play out exactly that way. But I suspect that matters will be every bit as unpleasant and brutish as your statement suggests. Unlike during the Crusades, Christendom doesn't seem to have the large following of dedicated belivers that would be required. There are some; but the paradigm seems more oriented to "gentle Jesus, meek and mild" rather than to warriors for the Faith. Perhaps that will change, but I don't see much indication so far.
We of all races and religions must really understand the forces at work here and do our best to shut down the influences that are attempting to destroy Civilization and Society as we have come to understand them.
Solve et coagula. Nations, peoples, and groups form and dissolve. And destruction is a necessary (and inescapable)part of creation. Peace and stability have never been, and are not the normal condition. So, despite what you, or I, or anyone else wants, there will be conflict...and, in fact, wars. Civilizations and societies will certainly be destroyed, and new ones will be born. That's the way life is. The current developing confrontation between the West and islam may be deffered (or it may not), but one side or the other - or both - will be destroyed. The world views are too different.
Now, you may say "compromise". But this comes to the same problem faced by Christendom; it has compromised and accomodated so many things that it becomes ever more difficult to find what it absolutely stands for, and absolutely stands against. If the West compromises until the Wahahbi's are satisfied, then the West is dead. But if the Saudis and other moslem fundamentalists adopt Western values, then they will have abandoned many of the core beliefs they espouse. If both meet in the middle, then each will have been destroyed, and something new will exist in it's place.
Such changes are not without pain. People are hurt and killed. Property is destroyed. Social change is always resisted.
So you can hope for peaceful accomodation as much as you wish - but human history seems to argue eloquently against the possibility.
It's not cognitive dissonance, it's just wacky conspiracy theories (which might be why they're so succeceptible to stupid conspiracy theories now)
I know in these times it is fashionable to hate ALL Muslims, but there are so many of them from such various backgrounds, that it is simply not fair to wish for the death of all of them as so many seem to do. They are not all throat-cutters and Jew-haters.
1. Islam is peace
2. Islam is sinless
3. Islam loves Christians and Jews
4. Islam respects women
5. Islam is not barbaric
6. Islam is an institution of sinless and peaceful people
7. Muhammad was a true prophet
8. Islam does not practice idolatry
9. Islam is shy and humble before God
10. Islam worships God
ENOUGH SAID!!
A Christian second-year resident in the Wausau Family Practice program at the University of Wisconsin School of Medicine claims he's being persecuted for "innocuous questions" he posed during a required lecture on Islam by evangelizing first-year residents. Dr. Michael Curtiss says department officials abruptly cancelled his contract a week after the lecture and then sabotaged his efforts to gain new employment at Michigan State University.
"I didn't expect them to be so vindictive," Curtiss told WorldNetDaily. "If their mothers knew, they'd be ashamed."
On Jan. 1, the members of the Wausau residency program gathered for the weekly, required lecture designed to offer exposure to specialists in a variety of fields like trauma, podiatry and fracture treatment. This lecture, however, was given by first-year residents Altaf Kaiserruddin and Ilyas Sial who delivered a more than two-hour presentation on Islam and the Muslim culture.
"No medical topics were discussed at all. There was no point to the lecture other than to give them a forum to expound on their religious views," said Curtiss. "They wouldn't have given me two and a half hours to teach about Christianity, not that I would expect them to," he added.
As Curtiss describes, Kaiserruddin sang prayers to Allah, described the five "Pillars of Islam" and preached the benefits of Islam for women, stating that it is "the fastest-growing religion among single, white women." As Curtiss recalls, Kaiserruddin admitted he was trying to evangelize and said he had given the presentation 25 times to various other groups. According to Curtiss, other residents grew uncomfortable during the lecture when Kaiserruddin refused to condemn suicide bombers, admitted tithing to Global Benevolence Foundation, sending money to the families of suicide bombers and indicated he expected all Muslims would soon be interred.
Repeated calls to Kaiserruddin were not returned. Ilyas Sial told WorldNetDaily he had no comment.
Curtiss, who attended seminary, says he questioned Kaiserruddin about six times throughout the lecture, quoting scripture to illustrate his point.
"Everything I asked was innocuous, and I emphasize I did it in an informative way and not in an insulting way. ... I did nothing offensive other than reveal through scripture that Muhammad plagiarized the Bible," Curtiss told WND.
"Mike was on top of things," fellow second-year resident John Dahlin told WND. "He would say, 'No that's not necessarily correct' and explain why. ... so there was education on both sides."
According to Curtiss, Kaiserruddin called him into an exam room before the next Tuesday lecture and told him, "Your contract is not going to be renewed." Two days later, Curtiss received a registered letter from program officials informing him of just that. Curtiss says Wausau Clinic Program Director Kevin O'Connell and Family Medicine Department Chairperson John Frey repeatedly refused to give him an explanation for the termination.
Curtiss subsequently filed a complaint with the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, charging the university with religious discrimination. In an attempt to "flush out" an explanation, Curtiss also charged the school with age and disability discrimination in the event that school officials would base the termination on medical problems he suffered related to a tumor recently discovered to be pressing on his spinal cord.
Repeated calls to O'Connell were not returned. Frey told WorldNetDaily he has no comment. Public affairs spokesman Michael Felber told WND in a written statement, "The university has met its obligations to [Curtiss] under the terms and conditions set forth in its contract with him. The university believes his charge is without merit and denies his allegations."
Addressing specific questions raised about the purpose of the required lecture on Islam and how it came about, Felber said in the statement, "Residents in the Department of Family Medicine deliver medical services to patients from very diverse cultural backgrounds. The established curriculum of the Department of Family Medicine Residency Program includes occasional informational presentations about different cultures. The purpose of these presentations is to adequately prepare residents to deliver high quality medical care to people of different backgrounds."
According to Curtiss, no other cultural presentations have taken place.
"This is northern Wisconsin. We don't really have Muslims here, and there's no foreseeable influx of Muslims to northern Wisconsin," argued Curtiss. "I think the Wausau people were trying to make [Kaiserruddin and Sial] feel more at home, trying to allay any fears among staff ... We're taught tolerance. But you're only tolerated if you're a part of a special interest group. The last people tolerated are Christians," Curtiss added.
"My understanding is that this was to foster understanding among the Christian residents of the Muslims," said Dahlin who describes the lecture as "overall beneficial" for "shedding light where people have misperceptions" about Muslims. "Was this an adequate use of medical time? No, it wasn't. It was kind of forced on us," Dahlin added. Dahlin was also notified his contract would not be renewed following the lecture, but he maintains he was terminated on "justified grounds" and received fair warning.
"I was content to dust off my feet and move on," Curtiss said. "I interviewed and was offered a position at Michigan State." After exchanging a signed letter of agreement and receiving other correspondence related to his future employment from Michigan State, Curtiss purchased a house nearby and his family was preparing for the move. Curtiss was due to begin the new job on July 1, but then he received a letter from college officials rescinding the job offer, and offering no explanation. Curtis claims word got back to officials at the University of Wisconsin who called Michigan State and sabotaged his new job.
Director of Marquette Family Practice Residency Program William Short told WND he "did not feel comfortable discussing [Curtiss' case] with an Internet newspaper." When asked specifically whether he was contacted by University of Wisconsin officials about Curtiss Short replied, "I have no comment."
Curtiss told WND the rescinded offer emboldens him to speak out about his experience at the University of Wisconsin.
"I just want people to realize the liberal universities and colleges in this country are morally, intellectually and ideologically bankrupt."
Great, so now the onus is on the victims of islam that hate Islam...
Better indeed to be cynical of sinful man's creations and interpretations. I just cannot stand it when some self imposing self-boasting mentaly deranged idiot is trying to tell me theirs is great without any slightest hint of humility. It's the religion of prosecution all right, and this BS vannrox posted only confirms that Satan means indeed accuser.
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