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Judge sentences man to 25 years for beating trick-or-treater
AP ^ | June 12, 2002

Posted on 06/12/2002 11:57:24 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad

Edited on 04/12/2004 5:38:44 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

VICTORVILLE, Calif. (AP) - A man described by a judge as "an evil monster" was sentenced to 25 years in prison for using a baseball bat, metal pipe and golf club to attack a 12-year-old Halloween trick-or-treater on his doorstep.


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To: Roscoe
There are no rights granted by society. The fact that public schools can bar children from attending is proof enough that it is a privilege and not a right. You are hopelessly ignorant. Consult a dictionary. Nobody needs permission to excercise a right.
441 posted on 06/15/2002 3:37:56 PM PDT by Demidog
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To: Demidog

442 posted on 06/15/2002 3:37:57 PM PDT by Jhoffa_
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To: Alan Chapman
That's just the process which takes place after the determination is made.

Dead wrong. The legislative process normally involves extensive hearings and weighing of evidence from different sources and interests, Ayn Rand's pulp fiction notwithstanding.

443 posted on 06/15/2002 3:38:54 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Demidog
See US v Miller 1939

No quote, naturally.

444 posted on 06/15/2002 3:39:38 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Jhoffa_
So your assertion is then that the only prohibition on state-sponsored genocide is the 14th? So you believe you have the right to kill Jews and the government, untill the 14th amendment was ratified, had the right to kill Jews since its powers are derived from you?

Keep digging that hole.

445 posted on 06/15/2002 3:40:35 PM PDT by Demidog
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To: Roscoe
The legislative process normally involves extensive hearings and weighing of evidence from different sources and interests

LOL! Name a single Senator or Congressman who voted on the patriot act who read it first.

446 posted on 06/15/2002 3:41:37 PM PDT by Demidog
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To: Alan Chapman
So, you believe the origin of rights is the public?

Depends on the right at issue.

"It is a moot question whether the origin of any kind of property is derived from nature at all. It is agreed by those who have seriously considered the subject that no individual has, of natural right, a separate property in an acre of land, for instance. By a universal law, indeed, whatever, whether fixed or movable, belongs to all men equally and in common is the property for the moment of him who occupies it; but when he relinquishes the occupation, the property goes with it. Stable ownership is the gift of social law, and is given late in the progress of society." --Thomas Jefferson

447 posted on 06/15/2002 3:42:25 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Roscoe
Why should I provide you a quote? Aren't you capable of finding and reading the case?
448 posted on 06/15/2002 3:42:27 PM PDT by Demidog
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To: Demidog

No no no..

They have the same right's here that you and I have..

But, you already knew that.. This is merely a distraction.

449 posted on 06/15/2002 3:42:38 PM PDT by Jhoffa_
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To: Jhoffa_
If it's the States right's to self determination.. then certainly we should.

I understand what you're trying to say. But, even if I agreed with you, I contend that the mere existence of a power is not a valid enough reason to exercise it or justify its exercise. This was the premise behind the Nuremberg trials. If the power subjugates rights then the power should be questioned, not the rights.

450 posted on 06/15/2002 3:43:34 PM PDT by Alan Chapman
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To: Demidog
Why should I provide you a quote?

Trick question. You don't have a quote from Miller that supports your position.

451 posted on 06/15/2002 3:43:47 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Jhoffa_
They have the same right's here that you and I have..

You have been claiming that the State may infringe upon rights unless specifically prohibited by...what?

452 posted on 06/15/2002 3:44:58 PM PDT by Demidog
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To: Alan Chapman
The states do not have the right to traffic light's Allan?

The people of the state do not have the right to decide who drives school busses?

453 posted on 06/15/2002 3:45:05 PM PDT by Jhoffa_
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To: Roscoe
Trick question.

Nope.

454 posted on 06/15/2002 3:45:27 PM PDT by Demidog
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To: Jhoffa_
The people of the state do not have the right to decide who drives school busses?

States have no rights at all. All of their powers are derived from the people. And the people may not confer any power to the states OR the feds that they do not first posess.

455 posted on 06/15/2002 3:46:47 PM PDT by Demidog
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To: Demidog

Don't insult me.. you know better than this.

We are all protected by the Constitution. (more specifically, the BOR) And that Constitution mentions the right of the states to outlaw pot exactly nowhere.

456 posted on 06/15/2002 3:47:11 PM PDT by Jhoffa_
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To: Demidog
The legislative process normally involves extensive hearings and weighing of evidence from different sources and interests. On rare occasions emergency legislation is passed without hearings.
457 posted on 06/15/2002 3:47:32 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Demidog
States have no rights at all.

"Every society has a right to fix the fundamental principles of its association, and to say to all individuals, that if they contemplate pursuits beyond the limits of these principles and involving dangers which the society chooses to avoid, they must go somewhere else for their exercise; that we want no citizens, and still less ephemeral and pseudo-citizens, on such terms. We may exclude them from our territory, as we do persons infected with disease." -- Thomas Jefferson

458 posted on 06/15/2002 3:49:03 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Demidog
Keep going.

You don't have a quote from Miller that supports your position. Do you?

459 posted on 06/15/2002 3:50:18 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Demidog
My post was cut off inadvertantly..

However, it also conveys no power to put up stop signs.. run the schools.. zoning.. etc.

States have no right to these things?

460 posted on 06/15/2002 3:50:46 PM PDT by Jhoffa_
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