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Judge sentences man to 25 years for beating trick-or-treater
AP ^ | June 12, 2002

Posted on 06/12/2002 11:57:24 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad

Edited on 04/12/2004 5:38:44 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

VICTORVILLE, Calif. (AP) - A man described by a judge as "an evil monster" was sentenced to 25 years in prison for using a baseball bat, metal pipe and golf club to attack a 12-year-old Halloween trick-or-treater on his doorstep.


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To: Demidog
Nobody has the right to swim in a public pool.

Millions of people enjoy that right, especially in summer.

Where does the right to vote in public elections come from?

381 posted on 06/15/2002 2:48:55 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: tpaine
It is obvious to most everyone though, that due process is NOT taking place in the WOD's.

Arrest, trial, imprisonment.

382 posted on 06/15/2002 2:50:14 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Texaggie79
Your position was overruled in 1868 by the 14th amendment.
383 posted on 06/15/2002 2:50:49 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: Demidog
[You want to outlaw wine?]

It's far more dangerous than pot

So do you want to outlaw wine?

384 posted on 06/15/2002 2:51:41 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: tpaine
Your position was overruled in 1868 by the 14th amendment.

Wrong.

"We have held from the beginning and uniformly that the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment does not apply to the States any of the provisions of the first eight amendments as such. The relevant historical materials have been canvassed by this Court and by legal scholars. These materials demonstrate conclusively that Congress and the members of the legislatures of the ratifying States did not contemplate that the Fourteenth Amendment was a short-hand incorporation of the first eight amendments making them applicable as explicit restrictions upon the States." -- U.S. Supreme Court BARTKUS v. ILLINOIS, 359 U.S. 121 (1959)

385 posted on 06/15/2002 2:53:20 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Roscoe
All human activities have societal consequences.

Assuming (for the sake of argument) that's true by what measure does one go about determining which activities should be prohibited? Which activities are rights and which are not?

The implication that all activities are "essential liberties" is juvenile nonsense.

Your misinterpretation of Franklin's quote is juvenile nonsense. He's talking about liberty being essential and not which liberties society considers essential.

386 posted on 06/15/2002 2:53:59 PM PDT by Alan Chapman
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To: Jhoffa_
Read the 14th, -- and watch your own mouth.
387 posted on 06/15/2002 2:54:03 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: tpaine
Which section?

Please be blunt..

388 posted on 06/15/2002 2:56:40 PM PDT by Jhoffa_
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To: Roscoe
See my earlier cite for an opposing USSC opinion.
389 posted on 06/15/2002 2:57:43 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: tpaine
Even better, quote it for me..

I can provide a link if you are not familiar with it..

390 posted on 06/15/2002 2:59:13 PM PDT by Jhoffa_
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To: Jhoffa_
Section 1.
391 posted on 06/15/2002 3:00:05 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: Alan Chapman
Assuming (for the sake of argument) that's true by what measure does one go about determining which activities should be prohibited?

To the extent such decisions are made matters of legal regulation, the determinations are made by the legislative process subject to judicial review.

Now, where do you contend that the right to swim in a public pool comes from?

392 posted on 06/15/2002 3:00:53 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Roscoe
Millions of people enjoy that right, especially in summer.

It's not a right. They have the right to swim in their own pool. They do not have the right to swim in a public pool. That right does not exist. They do not own that property, thus no such right exists. It is a privilege. If they do own the property, then the government cannot deny them the right to swim there under any circumstances.

Where does the right to vote in public elections come from?

It is derived from our right to chose our own government eluded to in the declaration of Independence - "governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed."

393 posted on 06/15/2002 3:01:01 PM PDT by Demidog
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To: Jhoffa_
If you have a point, spit it out & post it. -- If not, shut up.
394 posted on 06/15/2002 3:02:00 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: tpaine
Amendment XIV

Okay.. and your point was?

395 posted on 06/15/2002 3:02:39 PM PDT by Jhoffa_
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To: Texaggie79
those 2 little amendments you posted prove that states are well within their power to prohibit drugs...

Those two little amendments are not a grant of power. They are a limitation of it.

...just as the founders supported state laws that prohibited witchcraft, and sodomy...

They also supported slavery. Does that mean we should support slavery?

396 posted on 06/15/2002 3:04:22 PM PDT by Alan Chapman
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To: Roscoe
No I don't want to outlaw wine. I want to legalize pot. Your insistence that it remain illegal (pot) is absurd given that the dangers of alcohol are far greater and your rationale for keeping pot illegal is its "societal dangers."

Nonsense.

397 posted on 06/15/2002 3:04:49 PM PDT by Demidog
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To: Roscoe
"We have held from the beginning and uniformly that the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment does not apply to the States any of the provisions of the first eight amendments as such."

Correct. The 14th amendment does not confer any new responsibility upon the states in regard to the bill of rights. The states were already obligated to refrain from infringing upon rights reserved to the people as the tenth amendment states explicitly.

398 posted on 06/15/2002 3:06:53 PM PDT by Demidog
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To: Demidog
They do not have the right to swim in a public pool. That right does not exist.

Sure it does and millions of people exercise it yearly.

[Where does the right to vote in public elections come from?]

It is derived from our right to chose our own government eluded to in the declaration of Independence - "governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed."

We have the right to govern ourselves as a society.

"The catholic principle of republicanism is that every people may establish what form of government they please and change it as they please, the will of the nation being the only thing essential." --Thomas Jefferson: The Anas, 1792.

"The mother principle [is] that 'governments are republican only in proportion as they embody the will of their people, and execute it.'" --Thomas Jefferson to Samuel Kercheval, 1816.

"A government is republican in proportion as every member composing it has his equal voice in the direction of its concerns: not indeed in person, which would be impracticable beyond the limits of a city or small township, but by representatives chosen by himself and responsible to him at short periods." --Thomas Jefferson to Samuel Kercheval, 1816.

399 posted on 06/15/2002 3:07:51 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Alan Chapman
You startin to sound like a liberal. That's oranges and apples. The ones that supported slavery didn't view blacks as equal humans. However, the witchcraft and sodomy laws applied to everyone. And the very authors of the USC supported those state laws.
400 posted on 06/15/2002 3:08:03 PM PDT by Texaggie79
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