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Smallpox outbreak in Pakistan?
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | June 10, 2002 | Ron Strom

Posted on 06/11/2002 9:55:53 AM PDT by reader25

Pakistan's major English-language daily newspaper has reported what it calls a "smallpox epidemic" that is "rapidly spreading" in the Pakistani province of Swabi, a development that, if true, raises grave concerns about global health and bioterrorism


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To: cake_crumb
June 9 Smallpox Epidemic Rapidly Spreading In Pakistan Province. June 6 Hemorrhagic Fever Plaguing Afghan Border June 5. New Bio-Weapon? Black Pox-Ebola Pox In Pakistan Mold Making Kids Sick at School. This was on a site (stevenquayle.com)
21 posted on 06/11/2002 10:55:10 AM PDT by Digger
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To: Demidog
You should stop spreading your ignorant nonsense.
22 posted on 06/11/2002 11:06:48 AM PDT by tallhappy
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To: tallhappy
What "ignorant nonsense" is that?
23 posted on 06/11/2002 11:07:47 AM PDT by Demidog
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To: NYRepublican
"Remember, smallpox has been eradicated."

Remember, Islam is the Religion of Peace.®

24 posted on 06/11/2002 11:32:59 AM PDT by Harrison Bergeron
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To: Demidog
Do you really believe this? Less than 10% of the world's population has been vaccinated for smallpox. How could the vaccine possibly be responsible?

If the vacccine is used in the 10% of the world where it's a problem, such that there are then zero cases in the entire world, and most if not all of the spores in the wild decay for lack of hosts, then it's "eradicated" for all practical purposes.

Except, of course, for the stockpiles that we and the USSR kept, ("just in case"), and who knows where the former Soviet ones are now.

25 posted on 06/11/2002 11:33:27 AM PDT by coloradan
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To: Demidog
That is the claim. It isn't true and if you visit WHO's website you'll see that there are plenty of "monkeypox" epidemics reported which are indistinguishable from smallpox. It all depends on the meaning of "is" erradicated.

Monkeypox isn't smallpox. It's a zoonosis. No one ever claimed to have eliminated related diseases in the wild animal kingdom (but accomplishing that would be even harder than spending years vaccinating people and isolating victims).

And it's very distinguishable from smallpox in at least one important way--the death rate (3-4%, as opposed to the much higher rate for smallpox).

That's from the WHO website you mentioned, by the way.

26 posted on 06/11/2002 11:47:00 AM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: reader25
These stories are spreading faster than Mrs. Fields cookie recipe and Internet Guy on the WTC. For those that believe everything you see and hear on the internet. Look for things that are missing in these pox articles: NUMBERS of victims.

Here are two examples of more believable stories:
1. "At least 156 people have died of Ebola Hemorrhagic Fever during an outbreak that began in Uganda in September 2000."

2. "India warns of malaria epidemic, 73 dead."

27 posted on 06/11/2002 11:51:34 AM PDT by NautiNurse
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To: NYRepublican
I really am wondering why this article has not been either confirmed or denied. Has anyone forwarded it to any other news sources to be checked? Why isn't it being repeated elsewhere? Someone go fly out there and check this out!
28 posted on 06/11/2002 12:18:08 PM PDT by ecru
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To: reader25; sleavelessinseattle; Marine Inspector
Dammit Jamal! I said be careful with that test tube! Jamal? Jamal!!!
29 posted on 06/11/2002 12:18:34 PM PDT by PsyOp
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To: Nouge
What about the Jose Pedilla, or Ajahilla or whatever his name is that they arrested yesterday? HE just came over from Pakistan last MONTH.
30 posted on 06/11/2002 12:42:01 PM PDT by DJ88
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To: Demidog
This can't be true. The World Health Organization has assured the world that they have erradicated smallpox through mandatory vaccines. [This in spite of the fact that not even 10% of the worlds population has been vaccinated].

Don't be a smarty pants if you don't know what you are talking about. Smallpox has no animal vectors. It was only a human infection. During the WHO eradication plan, all reported cases were "ringed" in by vaccinating the population of the region. This combined with quarantine did eradicate all "wild" smallpox. The CDC never claimed to have killed it all. Everyone in the medical community has known of its storage in the USSR and US military labs. There was even a movement ten years ago to destroy these supplies. Some "goobers" even questioned if it was right to cause the extintion of a viral species, what dorks(but I digress). Anyway, it was determined way back then that several rogue states (N. Korea and Iraq) may have secretly stashed some of the virus and for security reasons; our stockpile would be kept. The CDC was never blowing smoke about eradication. This was just an oversimplification by the press.

31 posted on 06/11/2002 1:36:21 PM PDT by WilliamWallace1999
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To: PsyOp;Demidog
Thanks for the Ping psyop! Poor Demidog...Don't show up here with half Assed facts...Its not healthy for your ego... Been there done that, myself...Now I trust, verify, ask a neighbor before I put my rep on the line in this Chipper shredder of erroneous claims and hearsay We ALL know and love as FRee Republic...If you haven't put in your pledge to support FR...do it now...I'll check on your stuff myself, bro...Peace Out.
32 posted on 06/11/2002 1:40:09 PM PDT by sleavelessinseattle
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To: ecru
While wondering about the Pakistani news, don't forget the "smallpox" "outbreak" in India:

http://www.bodhgayanews.net/News2002/2002_06_05.htm

"Three die from Smallpox fury in Barachatti Village

Barachatti 4 June, (Dainik Jagran). In Patiauna village of Vinda Council in Barachatti block a dreadful outbreak of smallpox is raging. Due to the smallpox so far three children have died and about a dozen children are in its grip. So far in order to treat and cure the smallpox so far no steps have been taken by the medical department due to which the villagers are angry.

Gaya District Equality [Party] chairman Indradev Pasvan has asked the DM to not delay in distributing appropriate medications to the effected children and asked for suitable measures to be taken for protection from this sickness, so that the remaining children may be saved. Mr Paswan said that if this sickness was not quickly brought under control then it might turn into an epidemic."

33 posted on 06/11/2002 1:57:13 PM PDT by Cascadians
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To: Cascadians
If you are interested in breaking news re smallpox (confirmed or otherwise) in general, check out:

[hlth] Shift in U.S. Smallpox Vaccination Policy Recommended (2 pages, and many other threads re smallpox on the TimeBomb2000 Forum)

34 posted on 06/11/2002 2:04:34 PM PDT by Cascadians
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To: ecru
I really am wondering why this article has not been either confirmed or denied. Has anyone forwarded it to any other news sources to be checked?

You have hit right upon what many are seeing as the most outrageous point in this whole situation. This IS being fowarded anywhere people can think to send it. I suspect that as this story is passed around and heard by more people, there will be additional questions.

The fact remains however, that despite this, there has yet to be ANY official release from any of TPTB--anywhere.
35 posted on 06/11/2002 2:14:55 PM PDT by Sweet_Sunflower29
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36 posted on 06/11/2002 2:16:53 PM PDT by Mo1
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To: Sweet_Sunflower29
Whether it's true or not there should be some statement, I totally agree with you. My paranoid side is telling me this is being kept hush hush...
37 posted on 06/11/2002 2:27:59 PM PDT by ecru
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To: ecru, all
June 11, 2002
5:00 p.m. Eastern

Officials from the World Health Organization are "on the ground" in Pakistan investigating a claim first reported in the Pakistan Dawn newspaper that an "epidemic" of smallpox is threatening the Swabi district of the country.

Full article available here
38 posted on 06/11/2002 2:46:20 PM PDT by Sweet_Sunflower29
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To: reader25
this thread has some of the worst spelling i have ever seen.

a pox on all of you.

not that i care.

39 posted on 06/11/2002 3:53:32 PM PDT by wildwood
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To: sleavelessinseattle
Smallpox has not been erradicated. This is not based on the fact that people have contracted monkeypox alone. It is based on the fact that the vaccine could not possibly have erradicated it given it's limited application. It's common sense.

The WHO has in fact claimed that smallpox has been erradicated due to the vaccine.

It can't even be shown that the vaccine has had any affect whatsoever to the apparent dormency of the disease.

In Japan, during its outbreaks, the smallpox vaccine had been administered to 100% of the population. Yet epidemics were still occurring. It was only when health officials stopped vaccinating that the epidemics subsided.

Japan started compulsory vaccination against smallpox in 1872 and continued it for many years with disastrous results. Smallpox steadily increased each year and in 1892 their records showed 165,774 cases with 29,979 deaths -- all vaccinated. During the same time period Australia had no compulsory vaccination laws. The records showed only three deaths from smallpox over 15 years.

In the Philippines between 1917 and 1919, the U.S. government staged a compulsory vaccination campaign which brought on the worst epidemic of smallpox in this island nation's history with 162,503 reported cases and 71,453 deaths -- all vaccinated.

Dr. Charles Nichols of Boston gave this indictment:

“In India, according to an official return presented to the British House of Commons by Viscount Morley, there have been, during 30 years, 1877 to 1906, 3,344,325 deaths from smallpox of persons presumably vaccinated, for vaccination is universally enforced in India....In each and every community where vaccination ceases and strict sanitation is substituted, smallpox disappears. There are no exceptions to this.

http://proliberty.com/observer/20000607.htm

And here...

A temporary increase in the number of vaccinations always takes place during an epidemic of Small-pox, or when an epidemic is feared; but an examination of the curve of vaccination does not support the statement that it checks the epidemic. On careful inspection it will be seen that on three separate occasions a considerable incease in vaccinations was followed by an increase of Small-pox. Let the reader look at the Diagram, and note that in 1863 there was a very great number of vaccinations, followed in 1864 by an increase in Small-pox mortality.

Small Pox vaccinations did not diminish smallpox outbreaks in London/Wales from 1835-1864

We see that the vaccine in fact causes an increase in mortality and infection rates rather than a reduction.


40 posted on 06/11/2002 4:07:08 PM PDT by Demidog
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