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Van Dam friend describes Westerfield as 'creepy'
North County Times ^ | 6-11-02 | Kimberly Epler

Posted on 06/11/2002 8:27:12 AM PDT by Southflanknorthpawsis

Van Dam friend describes Westerfield as 'creepy' KIMBERLY EPLER Staff Writer SAN DIEGO ---- David Westerfield, the man accused of killing Danielle van Dam, was described Monday as "creepy" by a friend of the girl's parents who saw him at a bar hours before the 7-year-old disappeared.

"He was very quiet and weird," Denise Kemal, one of two women who went out drinking with Brenda van Dam, testified of Westerfield, the self-employed engineer standing trial for the crime.

The 28-year-old flight attendant said Brenda van Dam introduced her to Westerfield on Feb. 1 when they arrived at a Poway bar for a girl's night out.

Kemal said she thought it was "creepy" the way Westerfield stood watching her, the other two women and some of his friends play pool without saying anything. Judge William Mudd ordered the remarks stricken from the record after Westerfield's attorney, Steven Feldman, objected to the characterization.

Kemal also testified she saw Westerfield outside of his house the next afternoon when she went to the nearby van Dam home to speak with police about Danielle's disappearance.

Kemal was one of five witnesses on Day Four of Westerfield's trial on charges he kidnapped Danielle from her bedroom the first weekend of February and murdered her. Westerfield lived two houses down from the Sabre Springs second-grader.

Westerfield, a twice-divorced father of two, faces the death penalty if convicted. He also is charged with a misdemeanor count of child pornography. Prosecutor Jeff Dusek said that he expects to wrap up his side of the case by the end of June.

Danielle's parents, Brenda and Damon van Dam, did not attend Monday's proceedings. Judge Mudd told the couple last week that they would be notified when they could sit in on the trial. Each spent several hours on the witness stand last week, answering questions about their drug use, giving intimate details about their marriage, and describing the events leading up to their daughter's disappearance. The couple also has two sons.

Other witnesses on the stand Monday were Rich Brady, a friend of the van Dams; Keith Stone, Brady's friend and ex-brother-in-law; Garry Harvey, a friend of Westerfield's who met him at Dad's Cafe and Steakhouse on Feb. 1; and Yvette Wetli, Garry's friend, who also was at Dad's.

Most of the witnesses gave the same basic details about the events at Dad's the night Danielle was last seen alive. There were some variations. When questioned by attorneys, some of the witnesses denied making statements contained in police reports or conversations assigned to them by previous witnesses.

Kemal, a petite brunette dressed in a purple sweater and black pants, spent much of her testimony talking about the night Danielle disappeared. She testified she smoked marijuana in the van Dams' garage with Brenda van Dam and another friend, Barbara Easton, before they went out.

Kemal also said she got a phone call while in the garage and went out the side door to try and get better reception. When she came back in, Kemal said she closed the door, but didn't lock it. She testified the door was wide open at about 2 a.m. when she and Brenda van Dam went to check it after finding a warning light blinking on the home alarm system.

Kemal said she found out about Danielle's disappearance on Saturday, Feb. 2, when Damon van Dam made a brief phone call to say police wanted to talk to her about the side door.

"He told me quickly that they couldn't find her," Kemal said. "That she was missing."

When asked by Feldman, Kemal insisted she never had a conversation with Brenda or Damon van Dam about withholding from police their previous sexual relationship. Kemal testified about having a sexual encounter with Damon van Dam nearly three years ago while Brenda van Dam was with Kemal's then-husband.

The van Dams each admitted to having a sexual relationship with the two women Brenda went out with the night Danielle vanished and their male partners. Westerfield's defense team has attacked the credibility of Danielle's parents, questioning their integrity and the company they kept.

The defense attorneys have implied that the van Dams' lifestyle put their children at risk. The prosecution, meanwhile, has argued Westerfield stole Danielle from her home to satisfy his sexual fantasies for young girls.

Kemal testified the couples "swapped" their spouses after a Halloween party. Kemal testified the van Dam children were staying somewhere else that night.

She said the Halloween gatherings were not "risque," but simply costume parties complete with prizes for first, second and third place. Kemal said she briefly talked to Westerfield the morning Danielle was discovered missing after seeing him on the street.

"He said, 'I can't believe what happened,'" Kemal said, adding Westerfield told her he left by 9 p.m.

Also on the stand were Brady ---- a van Dam family friend ---- who admitted he supplied the marijuana the three women smoked that night. He said he and Stone ran into Brenda van Dam and her friends at the bar. Brady and Stone each testified they went back to the van Dam house to eat pizza about 2 a.m.

When asked by Feldman, they each said they didn't remember Brenda van Dam or Kemal talking about a side garage door being opened after they arrived at the van Dam house. Stone said Damon van Dam looked "surprised" to see him and Brady at his kitchen table when he came downstairs.

Under questioning from the prosecutor, Dusek, Stone and Brady said they did not take Danielle out of the house. Kemal also said that neither she nor Barbara took Danielle.

Later in the afternoon, Westerfield's friend, Harvey, took the stand. He said police searched his residence twice after Danielle disappeared, once with police dogs and a helicopter. A Fallbrook resident and a truck driver, Harvey said he has known Westerfield for about four years after meeting him at another Poway bar.

Harvey didn't look at Westerfield during his testimony. He said he went to a barbecue at Westerfield's house about three weeks before Danielle disappeared and he was meeting with Westerfield at the bar that night because he was helping Westerfield work out some business deals with his roommate.

He said Westerfield introduced him to Brenda van Dam and her two friends. He said he remembered the way Denise had been dancing the previous weekend.

Harvey said he didn't stay with Westerfield the whole evening . The last time he saw Westerfield was about 11:30 or 12:30 when he went to meet Wetli. When Harvey and Wetli returned to Dad's around 1 a.m., Westerfield was no longer in the bar, they each testified.

Wetli testified she had an "uncomfortable" interaction with Kemal and Brenda van Dam's other female friend, Barbara, that night. She said Barbara was sexually aggressive toward her.

Testimony in the trial continues today.


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Just something that struck me during Keene's testimony - He said that while initially talking with DW - he was telling him about talking briefly to Brenda at Dad's on Feb. 1 - he said that Brenda mentioned to him about the upcoming father/daughter dance and about Damon thinking she was growing up so fast - then he paused - like something had struck him - and said - "In fact - I could have sworn she said her husband would be out of town instead of home with the kids (or something to that effect)." Now how much was DW supposed to know about the incident at this time? Just what he'd heard from the neighbor Mark? What was that? Would he have even known at that time that Damon even was home that night? For all he knows - Damon is still not home - or maybe if he phisically saw Damon that day - sitting outside of his house - he still wouldn't have known if Damon was home that night - or if he'd just been called to come back home later, after Danielle was discovered to be missing. Thoughts?
81 posted on 06/11/2002 10:48:28 AM PDT by mommya
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To: Southflanknorthpawsis
I would assume other people in the bar that night was staring at the porn show these low lifes were engaged in. But, Dw was the only "creepy" one there cause he was "looking". I would also assume they expected and wanted to be noticed by everyone, why else the vulgar activity in a bar open to the public?

These people disgust me.

82 posted on 06/11/2002 10:49:04 AM PDT by BARLF
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To: spectre
Senator Spectre, I don't recall.
83 posted on 06/11/2002 10:58:06 AM PDT by AdA$tra
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To: BARLF
But, Dw was the only "creepy" one there cause he was "looking".

I thought it funny that Denise said DW was "creepy" because he was watching them play pool but later she said that she was at the bar watching people dance. What's the difference?

84 posted on 06/11/2002 11:00:57 AM PDT by Karson
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To: mommya
I missed that part..dang

Isn't he just relating the conversation he did have with Brenda..she did tell him Damon was going out of town and she would need a babysitter......I'm misunderstanding something so someone clear me up!

85 posted on 06/11/2002 11:01:36 AM PDT by Rheo
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To: Rheo
It's sort of what we've heard all along - that DW said to the det. that he thought Damon was supposed to be out of town - except that when Keene described it he threw in the..."instead of home with the kids" part. Could be nothing - but I was just thinking - at that time - would he have known that Damon really was home with the kids that night? I mean - the first part could be easily dismissed - "Oh - I thought Brenda said that her husband was out of town that night" ...but...it's the addition of "...instead of home with the kids" that is bugging me. For him to have known that Damon was home that night - he either had to hear it from Mark - something like - "That little Van Dam girl is missing - it's scary - they say that her dad was there all night and her mom got home about two - but that no one heard anything - and she's just gone." (You get the idea.) - or - he knows Damon was home for some other more sinister reason - like being in the house and seeing him there. Did the folks in the neighborhood know those details early on - by the time DW talked to Mark on Sat.?
86 posted on 06/11/2002 11:17:34 AM PDT by mommya
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To: mommya
Is it correct that DW volunteered the comment unsolicited? I missed it but heard the commentators taking about it on the SanDiego channel.
87 posted on 06/11/2002 11:27:49 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: mommya
OK..that makes more sense.

Wouldn't the neighborhood have possibly known as Damon was searching the neighborhood and could possibly have given details....Danielle's missing..I put her to bed last night and she isn't there!!!

Will be interesting to see how they deal with that statement.

88 posted on 06/11/2002 11:29:52 AM PDT by Rheo
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To: cyncooper
That's how Keene represented it.
89 posted on 06/11/2002 11:30:12 AM PDT by mommya
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It's becoming clear on cross examination, that the LE assumed the answers to their questions WITHOUT even asking Mr. Westerfield, himself...

Feldman is on a ROLL!

sw

90 posted on 06/11/2002 11:32:17 AM PDT by spectre
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To: Rheo
Yeah - it's possible - I'd just like to know. I don't think we've heard anything about him talking to anyone other the the neighbor Mark and in passing to Denise(regarding this situation) between the time he left on Sat. morning till the cops talked to him Mon. Could he have heard it on the news by then?
91 posted on 06/11/2002 11:35:17 AM PDT by mommya
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To: AdA$tra
"Senator Spectre, I don't recall"....

It's OK, some of the effects of Pot Smoking are the inability to recall and SPELL....

Note the difference between Specter and Spectre...try really hard..:~)

sw

92 posted on 06/11/2002 11:35:46 AM PDT by spectre
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To: mommya
Considering the police were there since around 10am...the info and rumors had to have been flying around the neighborhood or even the news.....another have to wait to see!
93 posted on 06/11/2002 11:37:16 AM PDT by Rheo
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To: spectre
Just a minute Senator, I need to put down my bong. There: I think my confusion is from the spectre of Senator Specter being a spectre.
94 posted on 06/11/2002 11:41:26 AM PDT by AdA$tra
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To: spectre
Feldman is on a ROLL!

Good grief. Feldman's systematically discounting every point that Dusek had set up!

Dusek: Did he say (whatever)?
Keene: No.
Feldman: Did you ask?
Keene: No.

D'OH!
95 posted on 06/11/2002 11:42:15 AM PDT by sbnsd
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To: sbnsd
Why would the detective ask him if he had stopped by a dry cleaners on the way home from the desert (for example)? The point is DW did not volunteer the info. Though it is reasonable to expect people to forget details when answering questions. I think the questioning shows how weak the defense case is. Shows how perceptions can differ.

As I prepare this I see that DW made a big point to say how the kids were running all over. I think some more forensic evidence was found upstairs that we will be hearing about.

96 posted on 06/11/2002 11:49:08 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: cyncooper
I've had a problem w/BVD stating those kids stood by her side in that house, except for the 3 min at pool, while she carried on a lenghthy conversation with him...including adult BBQ talk and going to bars...I can see the kids running around that house more so than standing there by her side......will be interesting to see if the brothers prints and DNA are upstairs also.
97 posted on 06/11/2002 11:53:30 AM PDT by Rheo
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To: Rheo
......will be interesting to see if the brothers prints and DNA are upstairs also.

I agree.

98 posted on 06/11/2002 11:54:14 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: sbnsd
D'OH!
99 posted on 06/11/2002 11:56:39 AM PDT by let freedom sing
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To: Rheo
You make a good point here. I remember in her testimony about the kids never leaving her side, that she said, "They CAME to me and asked if they could go look at the pool."

Odd wording. If they're standing next to her, why would she say, "They CAME to me..." ?

Little slip-ups like that destroy her credibility constantly, IMHO.

100 posted on 06/11/2002 12:02:48 PM PDT by pinz-n-needlez
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