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Poll: Four in Five Americans Would Give Up Some Freedom for More Security (MORON ALERT)
Tampa Bay Online (AP) ^ | 6-11-02 | Jennifer L. Brown

Posted on 06/11/2002 6:39:05 AM PDT by Boonie Rat

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To: sneakypete
Thank you.
261 posted on 06/11/2002 8:27:01 PM PDT by First_Salute
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To: PhiKapMom
First off, I do believe at this point in our history that you cannot just hide your head in the sand and say that everything should be the same.

I didn't and haven't. I realize that changes are needed to deal with the problem of terrorists here and abroad. I don't disagree with what you say regarding the rights of foreigners, the need to profile, the need for increased security on planes and at facilities. But that wasn't the point of my post in any case.

I don't see one item that has been passed that has affected me personally

I agree for the most part EXCEPT that the Bush Administration is ignoring the many laws that were violated by the democRATS the last 9 years and that does affect me ... and you. It means that when you send your hard earned cash to your favorite candidate, the other side can counter with MILLIONS of dollars from ILLEGAL sources that actually want to do you, me and this nation harm. It means that when you cast your vote, the other side can negate it by ILLEGALITIES at the ballot box. It means that even if your candidate wins, he or she may be unduly influenced using information ILLEGALLY garnered from sources like FBI file ... influenced to act in ways that are not in your interest. It means less confidence in the justice system in the future and increased fear by those who might want to come forward and correct wrongs. It means the next time the other party gains power over the investigatory and legal arms of government they will be even more emboldened to use them against you and I. Don't kid yourself into thinking that ignoring the crimes of politicians and their supporters doesn't affect you ... now or in the future.

This Administration is trying to figure out what to do right now to protect the American citizens while still not taking away our freedoms.

Believe that Ashcroft is doing everything possible to see that we are all protected and I do not believe he will break the law to do so.

But if, as many here suggest, the WOT would be lost if democRATS were now in control ... if the Bush supporters are right in saying that we shouldn't probe the crimes of democRATS because that might allow democRATS to regain power ... if Republicans are willing to bend the laws and even a few Constitutional principles to win the war, then doesn't it logically follow that we need to make CERTAIN the democRATS don't regain the Whitehouse or expand control of Congress in the future ... by any means necessary? Doesn't that suggest we need to be doing the same thing to them that they did to us the last several elections ... at least "temporarily"?

John Ashcroft has always been a man of the uptmost integrity and anyone that breaks the law that works for him IMO will be severely dealt with.

Yes ... in your opinion. But this is a war with grave consequences if we loose. Therefore, it makes perfect sense that we must win the next several elections by whatever means necessary. We both know we just can't afford to let those criminal democRATSback in power.

As for the laws clinton broke, please don't even bother to bring that up unless you want to tank the Republicans in total if they followed through on your wishes.

No ... as you can see I've joined your cause. Here's the new slogan ... "Don't let democRATS loose the WOT ... the GOP must keep the Whitehouse AT ANY COST!".

Clinton will get his someday, but to go back and indict him for crimes he committed, you will probably never even get a jury to indict him nor convict him in D.C. It isn't going to happen. The press has protected him for so long that to go after him would be spinning the wheels of the Government and we don't need that at this point in time.

Yes and of course that is true of the dozens if not hundreds of other democRATS who broke laws for Clinton and the Clinton administration. No ... we mustn't investigate those crimes ... because we are going to be violating those very same laws to make sure the democRATS don't win any future election. And who knows how long this WOT might last. Our President has said that it will be a long war ... so we must be prepared to keep control of the government into the foreseeable future ... even if we have to bend the rules a tiny bit.

It makes you stop and think that this Administration needs to do everything possible to make sure another terrorists attack doesn't happen.

Absolutely. EVERYTHING POSSIBLE ... and the possible certainly includes ignoring election tampering, voter fraud and blackmail ... because we are already doing that. It is a green light ... a whole new ball game ... anything goes. So let's get out there and support our President and Party no matter what they want or need to do. Just don't let those losers, the democRATS, back in power or our nation might loose this war.

Remember the President is the President of All the people of this Great Country and he does what he thinks is best for all. <

Absolutely! Who cares if he looks the other way when certain laws are broken. As long as we win this war, however long it takes. As long as we and our children are safe from those dastardly terrorists.

but I wouldn't want to live anywhere else.

And you shouldn't have to ... as long as Bush and the GOP do what it takes to keep those incompetent democRATS out of office. Because if they get back in office we will surely loose the War On Terrorism and we can't allow THAT!

262 posted on 06/11/2002 8:29:35 PM PDT by BeAChooser
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To: Boonie Rat
Why should anyone approve of more authority for government and law enforcement, when what has been done to date with ever more massive amounts of funding has done little or nothing. In short, when the damned job ain't being done, the employees don't deserve any raise.
263 posted on 06/11/2002 10:13:15 PM PDT by rebelsoldier
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To: homeschool mama
Any time. Unfortunately, I was rushing off to a meeting when I made the original post.

FReegards!

264 posted on 06/12/2002 4:19:00 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch
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To: PhiKapMom
Freedom isn't free! Well many people over the centuries have sacrificed their lives for our Freedom so it seems to be that we could all sacrifice something for the Security of this Nation they fought to preserve.

You got one thing right.....Freedom is not free

THe price of freedom is the willingness to accept risks in order to keep it.

Think about it.

You hold up as encouragement to surrender liberty those who died defending the USA from would be tyrants. In doing so you spit on their graves.

Think about it.

Regards

J.R.

265 posted on 06/12/2002 4:38:35 AM PDT by NMC EXP
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To: Rowdee; christine11; Boonie Rat
Oh......that color-coded idiot's guide to terrorist activity!!!

Yeah.
Check out this article:
Secretary of U.S. Dept. of Health & Human Services, Tommy Thompson, declares:
"Nation is on Orange Hair Alert."

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266 posted on 06/12/2002 7:17:20 AM PDT by ppaul
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To: NMC EXP
You hold up as encouragement to surrender liberty those who died defending the USA from would be tyrants. In doing so you spit on their graves.

So true.
For example, just look at the ad hominem attacks against war vets made by so-called "FReepers" contained in this thread alone.
They prove your point for you.

267 posted on 06/12/2002 7:21:31 AM PDT by ppaul
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To: christine11
What we also have is the completion in the dumbing down of the youth. The NEA has convoluted the facts of history so successfully that the brain dead students in college can't read,have no idea who the founding fathers were,never read the Constitution, have no conception of the four freedoms and can't tell you who was in the Revolutionary war. But they know all about condoms,oral sex,pornography,gambling,Socialism,Communisism,Castro,animal rights ,womans rights,faggot rights and are experts in Political correctness!
268 posted on 06/12/2002 7:52:20 AM PDT by GeorgeHL
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To: sneakypete
From Reagan Man: ..."Be a good American and a good FReeeper. Be an individual first"...

From sneakypete: ..."??????? ROFLMAO! I'm thinking you should look up the word "hyprocisy" in the dictionary! Every post you make on this thread is to urge people to be good little sheeple and listen to big daddy gooberment,and then you turn around and advise somebody to be a individual?"...

ROTFLMAOATPIMP! Sneaky.....there you go 'calling' the man (?) names!!! You must be one of them 'paranoid freaks' that just runs around trying to catch morons in the hole they've dug for themselves with all that cutting and pasting stuff! Trying to force them to see the illogic of what they try to pass off as logic! You show-off you!! FOTF!!

Oh, BTW, < /sarcasm>.

Howya doing, friend?

269 posted on 06/12/2002 9:06:17 AM PDT by Rowdee
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To: HoustonCurmudgeon
Yeah....but that list of military stuff isn't quite the same as hiding behind the name of a former President!

BTW...thanks for your service and that of your relatives.

270 posted on 06/12/2002 9:16:00 AM PDT by Rowdee
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To: poet
And let's trust the government that used innocent black citizens as laboratory rats to study the effects of a disease on humans....all the while, of course, pretending to medicate them!

And, of course, we should trust that government that used unsuspecting patients to test radiation on without knowledgable consent.

Or perhaps we should trust that government that has covered up the USS Liberty.

Does any of that stuff count as to how much faith and confidence we should have in our government?

Could any of this be how come I don't feel so good about any of this new stuff?

271 posted on 06/12/2002 9:24:47 AM PDT by Rowdee
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To: Rowdee
And the list of abuse of our liberties and their lies goes on.

Part of the problem is that people don't sit back and take an overview of seemingly un-related occurrences

Another part of the problem is they have control of our educational systems, are rewriting history and dumbing down America' students.

I've posted this comment before: There are three certanties in life: Death, Taxes and Betrayal by politicians regardless of the label they wear.

FReegards

272 posted on 06/12/2002 9:46:06 AM PDT by poet
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To: joyful1
You're right, and Ben Franklin would have pushed to anihilate(?) the enemy within, and punish the enemy without. Our rights and "liberties" will mean nothing while we are in the death throes of radiation sickness, small and monkeypox, or anthrax. I daresay the ACLU will be defunct.
273 posted on 06/12/2002 9:48:24 AM PDT by Terridan
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To: joanie-f
Thank you for this eloquent post. ;^)

After reading so many 'Babbit'-type opinions from those who always lick the hand that strikes them, yours was as refreshing as an April morn. ;^)

274 posted on 06/12/2002 9:49:00 AM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: Rowdee
Howya doing, friend?

Not bad. Thanks for asking. I hope the same can be said for you and yours.

275 posted on 06/12/2002 5:39:07 PM PDT by sneakypete
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To: sneakypete
I be doing fine, friend....just getting pretty sick of alleged men who are as bad as soccer moms!!! Damn it, I want a man that I don't have to question his gender! LOL!
276 posted on 06/12/2002 6:47:09 PM PDT by Rowdee
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To: christine11
Further proof that 4 in 5 "Americans" don't understand what it means to be free.
277 posted on 06/12/2002 10:17:53 PM PDT by takenoprisoner
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To: takenoprisoner
uh huh! ;)
278 posted on 06/12/2002 10:33:15 PM PDT by christine
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To: headsonpikes
Smiling at your 'refreshing as an April morn' sentiment. :) <-- see?

Thank you!

279 posted on 06/13/2002 6:19:01 PM PDT by joanie-f
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To: joanie-f
Your #257 is one of the finest posts I have ever read.

I'd rather bring attention to it than to 're-invent the wheel'. ;^)

'April morn' bump. Jeez, I was feeling 'festive', wasn't I? LOLOL!!

280 posted on 06/14/2002 10:46:01 AM PDT by headsonpikes
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