Breaking: John Ashcroft says U.S. disrupted plans to attack U.S. with "dirty" radiation bomb.

[Texasforever]

was saying the press release was written to try and get people to 'just accept' that the government caught someone with a bomb, and they saved our lives. Let's all give them a big hand !

There is absolutly nothing in the "press release" that even HINTS at an actual bomb. I don't know about the timing of the announcement but the stated reason is that the guy was transferred to DOD care and custody. But you could be right that there are political reasons as well but, can you blame them? I guess you can since you have.

[Texasforever]

How is that "vote no" thread coming along? LMAO!

[UCANSEE2]

There is absolutely nothing in the "press release" that even HINTS at an actual bomb

You, my friend, are absolutely correct.

Now, go back to reply 1 and start reading. Count how many replies there are where it is obvious that person believed they caught someone at the airport with a bomb in his pants.

See how easily people are fooled.

[UCANSEE2]

P.S. Thanks for giving me a rational informative response, and being a gentleman. Such behaviour deserves respect.

[kcvl]

The morning after the bombing, employees of Elliott's Body Shop in Junction City, Kan. -- where McVeigh rented the Ryder truck used in the blast -- assisted the FBI in creating a composite drawing of a man who allegedly accompanied McVeigh to the shop. Tom Kessinger, who was not called today, gave the FBI a detailed description of the man as full-faced and stocky, with dark hair and an olive complexion.

Today, Eldon Elliott, owner of the shop, testified that McVeigh was accompanied by a second man wearing a white baseball cap when he rented the 20-foot Ryder truck used in the bombing.

"I just took a glance at him," said Elliott, who said that he saw the men chatting.

A former Elliott's employee, Vicki Beemer, testified earlier that two days before the bombing, McVeigh was accompanied by a second man. A nurse from Herington, Kan., told jurors that she saw a Hispanic-looking man riding with McVeigh in the passenger seat of a Ryder truck several days before the blast. Numerous others testified that they saw a man resembling the sketch of John Doe No. 2 in or near a Ryder truck in the days preceding the bombing.

The government now takes the position that John Doe No. 2 was actually an innocent Army private who happened to be at Elliott's the day after McVeigh rented the truck.

But that was not the government's position two years ago. The sketches of the men who rented the truck -- neither of which resembled Nichols -- were widely circulated around the world as the FBI launched the biggest manhunt in history.

The first man was immediately identified as McVeigh. But despite sightings all over Kansas and Oklahoma, John Doe No. 2 was never found. Shortly before the McVeigh trial, the government stated that John Doe No. 2 was no longer a suspect and withdrew the warrant for his arrest.

The notion of yet a fourth suspect also was introduced today, when a delivery man insisted that the person to whom he delivered Chinese food several days before the blast was neither McVeigh, Nichols nor John Doe No. 2.

Jeff Davis of Junction City, Kan., said that he delivered food to a motel room where McVeigh was registered but that the man who accepted the delivery was not McVeigh.

Davis testified that he believed the federal authorities, who spoke with him a dozen times, were displeased with his descriptions because they did not fit the government's theory of the case. Prosecutors have never called Davis as a witness.

[kcvl]

His face is not square like John Doe #2 and his nose is also not the same.

[kcvl]

Eyes still don't match with John Doe #2.

a law enforcement official described Mr. Padilla as someone who tried to make inroads with terrorists after his conversion to Islam.

Other officials said that before he left Pakistan, Mr. Padilla was told by Al Qaeda leaders to fly to the United States to conduct reconnaissance for several possible plots, including the possibility of blowing up hotel rooms and gas stations.

Donna Newman, Mr. Padilla's lawyer in New York, said that federal authorities had given her little information about the allegations against Mr. Padilla. She also expressed dismay that the government had suddenly transferred him to the military jail in South Carolina.

F.B.I. and C.I.A. agents picked up Mr. Padilla's trail after he and two other men were detained by Pakistani authorities on a passport violation in April

F.B.I. agents secretly boarded his flight from Zurich to the United States to keep him under surveillance. But worried that their suspect might disrupt the Chicago-bound flight, agents asked airline security personnel in Zurich to inspect his luggage carefully and his personal effects, including his shoes.

Mr. Padilla was arrested as soon as the flight touched down, officials said, because agents hoped to obtain his cooperation. A search revealed that he was carrying about $10,000 in cash.

However, the New York law enforcement official said Mr. Padilla had been uncooperative during his month in detention at the Metropolitan Corrections Center in downtown Manhattan.

Officials said Mr. Padilla met with Mr. Zubaydah in Afghanistan last December and raised the possibility of a dirty bomb attack on the United States with him then.

Mr. Padilla then traveled to Pakistan, where he received al Qaeda training in the wiring of explosives, intelligence officials said.

Mr. Padilla stayed at a Qaeda safe house in Lahore, Pakistan, for a time, and while he was staying there did research on radiological devices on the Internet, officials said.

At Mr. Zubaydah's behest, Mr. Padilla also traveled to Karachi to discuss several possible plans, the officials said.

A senior administration official said that Mr. Zubaydah was not the only Al Qaeda member in custody who led them to find Mr. Padilla. "Abu Zubaydah was one of the sources, but not the only one," the official said. "It's a rather impressive variety of sources."

The official said that Mr. Padilla "has left an amazing number of tracks around."

[smith288]

Yep. Still wet behind the ears.

[cantfindagoodscreenname]

I would tell you if I could find your original post to refresh my memory. Apparently someone else found it offensive as well as the moderator removed it.

Are you serious? Oh my goodness! I didn't read the whole thread (only the first few posts) and I have no idea what I could have said to upset anyone. Wow.

If you don't mind, I'll Freepmail you and tell you what I asked and I'd appreciate it if you can tell me what was wrong with what I asked. Do you think you can avoid namecalling and give me an honest answer?

[thepitts]

Good point. Let's fire Ashcroft and crew and put you in charge.

Have fun. And remember: you must keep us safe as we spit in your eye and kick you in the groin.

such a good little socialist.

[E Rocc]

He would not like you calling his followers freaks.

Jim Robinson has asked for no personal attacks on his forum.

You have just attacked all Christians.

No he did not.

There is a fundamental difference between a Christian and a "Jesus Freak". Pope John Paul II, Billy Graham, and Jerry Falwell are Christians. Fred Phelps and Donald Wildmon are freaks. Since they claim to act on behalf of Jesus of Nazareth, they can be called "Jesus Freaks". The difference between a Christian and a "Jesus Freak"? Hatred or gross contempt for those who believe differently.

Ironically, the difference is similar to another some here can't or won't recognize. The difference between Moslems and radical terrorist fanatics.

-Eric

[Johnny Shear]

I see you have no intention for apologizing for you your “Jesus Freaks” comment.

No I don't. Why would I? I meant it.

I won’t report you since I’m new to this forum, but other freepers just might.

Neeener, neeener, neeener!

I will have no further correspondence with you on this forum.

Alrighty then!!

[Johnny Shear]

Thanks. It looks like you "Get it".

[Dave S]

I would tell you if I could find your original post to refresh my memory. Apparently someone else found it offensive as well as the moderator removed it.

If you don't mind, I'll Freepmail you and tell you what I asked and I'd appreciate it if you can tell me what was wrong with what I asked. Do you think you can avoid namecalling and give me an honest answer?

I guess a public apology is due cantfindagoodscreenname. The post that I saw that had been removed was not his, it was mine.

What set me off after 650 posts was perhaps an innocent question about why we should distinquish between citizens and non-cititzens when talking about what to do with Middle Easterners. I perhaps incorrectly assumed that his question had to do with deportation or internment and not with whether they are handled by legal system or military tribunal. If that assumption was wrong, then Im sorry.

[Dave S]

I would tell you if I could find your original post to refresh my memory. Apparently someone else found it offensive as well as the moderator removed it.

If you don't mind, I'll Freepmail you and tell you what I asked and I'd appreciate it if you can tell me what was wrong with what I asked. Do you think you can avoid namecalling and give me an honest answer?

I guess a public apology is due cantfindagoodscreenname. The post that I saw that had been removed was not his, it was mine.

What set me off after 650 posts was perhaps an innocent question about why we should distinquish between citizens and non-cititzens when talking about what to do with Middle Easterners. I perhaps incorrectly assumed that his question had to do with deportation or internment and not with whether they are handled by legal system or military tribunal. If that assumption was wrong, then Im sorry.

[KC Burke]

...and how we are detaining especially a US Citizen without due process unless Habeas Corpus has been suspended? Even in a time of war. To further add injury to insult, this guy is NOT being charged.

My point when this thread started. It has now become clear that they don't necessarily intend to use a tribunal for him but, instead, are using the Detainee methods of holding him as a Lawful/Unlawful Combatant to give themselves time-flexibility for how to deal with him. It is equivilent to suspending the right to a habeas corpus ad subjiciendum , a move that is a very dangerous suspension.

If the leftists have screwed up our justice system so bad that a man flying from a provable meeting with Al Qeada carrying dirty-bomb documents can't be convicted, the citizens of our nation should bear the awful truth of him walking free.

[cantfindagoodscreenname]

Thank you, Dave. You are correct; I was not referring to deportment or internment. I appreciate your apologizing publicly.

[homeschool mama]

Well you just wipe that smirk off your face, smithy, and get back to work. hmfph!

(spoken like a true mom, huh?) :o)

[smith288]

I wouldnt mind going back to High School....talk about the simple life. My biggest worries was what to do during study hall and "Man, I need to work on my baseball swing".