Posted on 06/10/2002 7:30:38 AM PDT by Dales
Breaking now. Details shortly
Tell this to the VIETNAM WALL! As far as I am concerned that Constitution is very much a suicide pact. It has taken many lives to keep it. I am not a lawyer but one who has served it well for 30 years. Tell your pal to take his answer and go find a place where the sun doesn't shine.
This is a US citizen that's not going to be tried in Court?
Is that right? What's the proposed alternative and why?
Your notion of liberty and the Constitution is wacky. It is geographically dependent. While I'm sure you would agree with 556 to the head in Afghanistan of any terrorist trying to kill Americans, in America you want to give them a few million and a legion of ACLU dweebs to defend them.
Personally, I think all terroists are created equal, 556 for all of them.
I thought he was Puerto Rican?
Because, our pal Mr. Terrorist IS (I know.. I know) presumed innocent till proven guilty. And he's definately covered by the Constitution.
And, hey.. if we are ramping up the tribunals let's toss out a few more and start thinning that herd down at Gitmo.
If it's good enough for a US Citizen, it's way, way more than they deserve.
IMVHO.
I stand corrected, I believe you are correct Luis.
Not quite right...he was born in Brooklyn, NY, then moved to Chicago when he was four years old.
I would disagree with your other premise. Nothing in the Constituion requires America to treat people who are trying to kill us by the millions the same as the rest of its citizens. It simply is not a suicide pact. The Geneva Convention even recognizes that saboteurs and terrorists need to be held incommunicado for what, to most, are readily apparent reasons.
Damn, another flubbed detail. A thousand apologies. That'll cover the next 998 mistakes I make.
I don't know the specifics of this case or what happened with this paticular individual.. But what I know now, it kind of bothers me.
Not that he would get hauled in front of a tribunal, because surely he's guilty, but this being the standard for the future scares me a little.
I mean, there are countless stories about Hitler, the KGB etc, etc, dragging citizens into secret courts and nailing them with secret evidence.
I don't think Ashcroft or Bush for that matter would support such a thing.. It's not today I am worried about, it's tomorrow.
He will be held incommunicado as an unlawful combatant though, I'd bet my bottom dollar on that.
Being an enemy of the State would be horrible. FEDGOV has literally limitless resources and an innocent defendant would need all the Constitutional protections he could get.
Also, if the evidence itself was weak a bad prosecutor might be inclined to push for the Tribunal because the standards for conviction are much lower and it's all done in secret.
Like I said, no hidden Ashcroft or Bush barbs here, I don't think they would do such a thing or allow it to be done.. But someone like algor, hillary or bill? Sure, I don't think that's a stretch at all.
Just one more detail, guys--if his parents were Puerto Rican, he'd still be a U.S. citizen even if he'd been born in Puerto Rico.
That would probably be wise..
Also, kind of off the subject I think letting The American Taliban off with a jury trial is a mistake. They definately can hold him over for tribunal and, personally.. I think a jury will turn him loose.
From my understanding, the evidence is just too thin to meet that standard of proof. I don't agree with it, but it's what I am expecting.
He definately should have been "tribunaled" imho..
Uh oh, the liberals aren't going to like this one bit. I trust them to say something stupid about this that backfires.
For now your statements are mere assumptions.... and from what they are saying about that traitor he was born here and is an American citizen.
I agree that granting illegals amnesty is wrong, but trying to tie that with this particular case by asserting that kook was an illegal is pure spin!
Stick with facts!
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