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To: medved; Alberta's Child
d that, my friend, is where the entire theory of evolution breaks down, because you can't have it both ways. On one hand you claim that a tiny, limited sample of fossils is sufficient basis to "support" the theory of evolution, but when I or someone else uses the lack of fossil evidence as an argument against evolution, you simply claim that the sample size is too small to use as evidence!

That's perfectly logical. Unfortunately, evolutionists are pretty much immune to logic at this point; logic basically just bounces off them sort of like water off a duck. This thing is ultimately going to have to be settled in courtrooms and at ballot boxes. It's a pure political issue; science has nothing to do with it.

And what about those gravity gaps? You realize, that the entire evidentiary base for the law of gravity is a mere splinter in the side of the places in the universe, like the intergalactic vacuum between here and Andromeda, where there are absolutely no reading whatsoever to support the law of gravity.

Obviously, there is a hidden political agenda behind the acceptance of the law of gravity while ignoring all these gaping gravity gaps.

534 posted on 06/11/2002 2:25:37 PM PDT by donh
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To: donh
It appears as if you've missed the point of my statement. Let's offer a case study that illustrates the illogical nature of what you've been saying.

Suppose that you offer a theory about the height of the average person in ancient Egypt. Let us also suppose that you have based this theory on some well-grounded research into prior and later human settlements in the same region. Extensive unearthing of fossils indicates that the average person in the earlier civilization was 5'4" tall (based on a sample of 100 fossils), and the average person in the later civilization was 5'8" (again, based on a sample of 100 fossils). Based on this apparent progression, you offer a hypothesis that the average person in the Egyptian civilization in question was 5'6" tall, as follows:

Since the average person of Civilization A was 5'4" tall, and the average person of Civilization B was 5'8" tall, and the civilization in question flourished at a time midway between these two other civilizations in the same geographic area, the average person in the Egyptian civilization was about 5'6" tall.

Sounds reasonable, doesn't it? In an attempt to test your hypothesis, we go out and engage in a search for fossils indicating the height of various people who lived during the civilization we are studying. The first fossil we unearth is of a person who was 5'2" tall. We then unearth fossils of people who were 5'1", 5'5", and 5'4" tall. Within a few months, we have assembled a group of 100 fossils with an average height of 5'4".

At this point, I will call your original hypothesis into question. The evidence we have gathered clearly indicates that the average person in this Egyptian was 5'4" tall, not 5'6". I suggest that while there may be some sort of continuity between Civilization A and Egypt, there doesn't appear to be any direct relationship between Egypt and Civilization B (at least insofar as the height of the citizenry is concerned). Now consider the following scenarios that may result:

1. In response to my contention that your original premise was incorrect, you claim that the 100 fossils we've unearthed represent too small a sample size to use as the basis for our conclusion that the average person in this Egyptian civilization was 5'4". Maybe that is a valid point, but that would also invalidate the first part of your hypothesis, in which you claim that the average heights of people living in Civilizations A and B are 5'4" and 5'8", respectively.

2. You claim that "we haven't looked hard enough," and you insist on digging for more fossils in the hopes of finding taller people from this Egyptian civilization. Perhaps, you reason, these Egyptians revered their basketball players and didn't bury them among the normal citizens. After an exhaustive search for a trove of 6'0" skeletons in a special predecessor to the NBA Hall of Fame, we unearth 100 more fossils and find that the average height is still about 5'4".

3. You suggest that maybe these Egytians seem so much shorter in stature than you estimated because they conducted special cremation ceremonies for their basketball players, thereby causing a substantial portion of our potential fossil record to vanish without a trace. I would find it quite convenient for you to have developed a theory that is based on the premise that we cannot find the evidence we are looking for.

4. When all else fails, you develop an interesting theory called "punctuated growth," or "Punk-Gro," which states that the people living in this region were always 5'4" tall until a very brief period of time in which they grew to 5'8" in height. If we look hard enough, you claim, we will find evidence of that "transitional" period between Egypt and Civilization B. But it will be very hard to find these fossils, you warn, because the transitional period was very short and therefore the pool of fossils will be very small.

At some point, even you would have to admit that you are really grasping for straws here. On the other hand, MY simple explanation would seem much more reasonable:

"There isn't any 'transitional' phase, Don, because there is no relationship between Egypt and Civilization B. Civilization B is nothing more than a bunch of tall people from a foreign land who settled here after Egypt declined."

556 posted on 06/11/2002 6:18:13 PM PDT by Alberta's Child
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