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If only this came out in our papers!
1 posted on 06/05/2002 9:56:41 PM PDT by knak
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To: knak
Yep, now we've taken care of Afghanistan now need and excuse to bomb Iraq as popular opinion isn't quite there yet.
2 posted on 06/05/2002 10:00:14 PM PDT by droberts
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3 posted on 06/05/2002 10:03:16 PM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: knak
Ramzi Yousef is a cover name for someone, whom we don't know. How could he be a "blood relative"? That connection may be how the Iraqis picked "Ramzi Yousef's" identity. Laurie Mylroie has written a lot about this.
4 posted on 06/05/2002 10:04:56 PM PDT by Kermit
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To: knak
According to the 911 Bible codes, Saddam is very much involved. (Don't bother telling me they've been discredited. Until a debunker steps forward who cannot himself be debunked, I'll continue to consider them.)
5 posted on 06/05/2002 10:05:03 PM PDT by brat
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To: knak
Whether this claimed familial connection supports Iraqi authorship of 9-11 would depend on who Ramzi Yousef really is, would it not? Which of Yousef's various identities is this fellow supposed to be related to?
6 posted on 06/05/2002 10:05:41 PM PDT by The Great Satan
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To: knak
From an October, 2001 interview with Laurie Mylroie for PBS's Frontline special, Gunning For Saddam:

And just so that it's very clear -- what do you think happened? Iraqi intelligence went in to the Kuwaiti files, realizing they had this man, Ramzi Yousef, who they were going to use in the years to come. So therefore they were setting up a circumstance where they would create a mole, basically, whose identity would be certified by Kuwaiti files. What do you assume happened?

When Iraq occupied Kuwait in 1990 and 1991, it used some Kuwaiti files to create false identities for key agents. It tampered with those files. It tampered with Abdul Basit Karim's files to create a false identity for Ramzi Yousef.

Questions also exist about Abdul Hakim Murad, who was convicted with Yousef in the plane bombing plot [Ed. Note: a plan to bomb 12 U.S. airplanes in the Philippines] and also claims to be born in Kuwait. Questions also exist about Khalid Shaykh Muhammad, also involved in the plane bombing, a fugitive who also claims to be born in Kuwait. People should check those files to see if they've been tampered with.

Former CIA Director James Woolsey visited Swansea, in Wales, shortly after 9-11 to investigate whether Ramzi Yousef is in fact the Kuwaiti-resident Pakastani, Abdul Basit, his currently accepted identity. He isn't telling what he found out. From a
PBS interview:

There have been press reports that you've been to the United Kingdom recently.

I've been to the United Kingdom twice this year.

Where did you stay?

Various places.

Did you go for pleasure or did you go for business?

I went for my own reasons.

It's reported that this is related to your passion about the idea that there might be state involvement, particularly Iraqi involvement, in what's been happening.

You'll have to find out about that from somebody other than me.

But the press reports are true? Untrue?

I'm not going to comment on them one way or the other.

OK. Is that because there's a secrecy rule about talking about this stuff?

Because if I do anything to help me advise the U.S. government, I'm not going to talk about it. ...


13 posted on 06/05/2002 10:30:11 PM PDT by The Great Satan
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To: knak
We're getting maybe 5% of the info we have on these people !
16 posted on 06/05/2002 10:57:32 PM PDT by america-rules
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To: knak
Possible Iraqi connection in 1993 WTC bombing. Published in June 2001, three months before 911.

But the most important evidence linking the bombing to Iraq involves the passport on which Ramzi Yousef fled on the night of the attack. Yousef left on a Pakistani passport in the name of Abdul Basit Karim. He obtained that passport by going to the Pakistani consulate in New York in December 1992 with the xerox copies of the expired (1984) passport of Abdul Basit and the current (1988) passport. Yousef, claiming to be Abdul Basit, said that he had lost his passport, and asked for a new one. The consulate did not like the documentation Yousef presented, as there was no original document, but it gave him a temporary passport in the name of Abdul Basit Karim.

There really was an individual named Abdul Basit Karim. He was born in Kuwait in 1968 and raised there, as his father worked in the Sheikhdom. After Abdul Basit graduated from high school, he went to Britain, where he studied for three years. He returned to Kuwait in June 1989, after which he obtained a job in Kuwait's planning ministry - and he was in Kuwait when Iraq invaded a year later.

As Abdul Basit was a permanent resident of Kuwait, Kuwait's Interior Ministry maintained a file on him. That file appears to have been tampered with. Information that should have been in the file is not there. A xerox copy of the front page of Abdul Basit's passport is missing. Kuwaiti authorities attributed that to the Iraqi occupation. Yet they did not consider the possibility that the entire file might have been corrupted.

Moreover, there is information in Abdul Basit's file that should not be there. Above all, there is a notation that Abdul Basit and his family left Kuwait on August 26, 1990, traveling from Kuwait to Iraq, crossing from Iraq to Iran at Salamcheh (a crossing point), on their way to Pakistani Baluchistan, where they live now.

Who put that information into Abdul Basit's file and why? It is not the kind of information a traveler gives authorities when he crosses a border. He reports where he came from and the country to which he is going. He does not give his whole itinerary.

Moreover, there was no Kuwait government on August 26, 1990, as Iraq had occupied the country three weeks earlier. Hundreds of thousands of people were fleeing Kuwait and Iraq at the time. It is doubtful than an Iraqi bureaucrat sat in Kuwait's Interior Ministry, recording the travel plans of everyone who left Kuwait.

Finally, Yousef's fingerprints are in Abdul Basit's file in Kuwait. Yousef was fingerprinted when he entered the US, and American authorities later sent his fingerprints to Kuwait. The fingerprints matched and in September 1993, Kuwaiti authorities reported that Yousef's real identity was Abdul Basit.

But Yousef does not seem to be Abdul Basit. Above all, they are of two different heights. Yousef is 6' feet tall. That is what a prosecutor, reading off the FBI arrest card, told this author.21 Yet, according to all available evidence, Abdul Basit was only 5'8."22.

Yet if Yousef is not Abdul Basit, how did his fingerprints get into Abdul Basit's file in Kuwait? The fingerprint cards must have been switched. Someone had to have taken the card with Abdul Basit's prints on it out of the file and substituted a card with Yousef's prints. And the only party that reasonably could have done so is Iraq, while it occupied Kuwait, in order to create a false identity for Ramzi Yousef. Indeed, creating a false identity for agents involved in "wet" operations is a standard practice of Soviet-style intelligence agencies.

In intelligence parlance, a "false flag" operation is one in which a party carries out an action in such a manner as to make it look like others were responsible. For example, if Mehmet Ali Agca, the Turk who tried to kill the Pope in 1981, had been recruited by a Soviet-bloc intelligence agency, as some believe, then the attempted assassination would have been a false flag operation. here

Not too difficult to connect the dots from 1993 to 2001.

19 posted on 06/05/2002 11:34:02 PM PDT by Ordinary_American
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FBI.gov: "MOST WANTED TERRORIST: KHALID SHAIKH MOHAMMED" (MR. MOHAMMED IS ALSO KNOWN BY THE FOLLOWING NAMES: "Ashraf Refaat Nabith Henin, Khalid Adbul Wadood, Salem Ali, Fahd Bin Adballah Bin Khalid"

FOX NEWS.com: Washington. "Counterterrorism Official Calls Kuwaiti Key Organizer of Sept. 11 Attacks" (ARTICLE NOTE: The suspect is identified as " Kuwaiti lieutenant of Usama bin Laden, Khalid Shaikh Mohammed.") (060502)

FBI.gov: "MOST WANTED TERRORISTS"

23 posted on 06/06/2002 1:21:14 AM PDT by Cindy
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To: knak
I found the announcement the other day about this new 9/11 mastermind somewhat curious in timing. Surely it did not take nine months to figure that out, so what was the political value in getting that story out? Perhaps the Irish Independent helped answer that question.
27 posted on 06/06/2002 4:59:40 AM PDT by Coop
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To: knak
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/03/15/national/main503807.shtml

Link

It alleges that convicted terrorist Ramzi Yousef was an Iraqi government agent. After the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, for which he was later imprisoned, Yousef went to the Philippines where he recruited Terry Nichols, eventually convicted as a co-conspirator in the Oklahoma City bombing, to join a plot to blow up several U.S.-bound airliners, the lawsuit alleges.

Nichols had traveled to the Philippines between 1990 and 1994 seeking help in building a bomb, the lawsuit claims.

About three months after the airline-bombing plot was foiled and Nichols returned to the United States, Oklahoma City's Murrah building was destroyed, killing 168 and wounding hundreds. The lawsuit alleges that Abdul Hakim Murad, then imprisoned in the United States awaiting trial in the airline-bombing plot, said at the time that Yousef's network was responsible.

Years later, after the convictions of Nichols and McVeigh in the Oklahoma City bombing, the lawsuit alleges the global law enforcement arm Interpol was still trying to apprehend at least two other bombing suspects, one a foreign national.

McVeigh lawyer Stephen Jones said before the 1997 trial and in a book written afterward that there was evidence Nichols hooked up with Muslim fundamentalists in the Philippines and set McVeigh up as "a patsy."

30 posted on 06/06/2002 6:10:33 AM PDT by honway
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To: knak
The following is directly from the above article. It proves nothing, nevermind Iraqi involvement. I'll be happy to join the chorus of neocon war hawks who are looking for Iraqi blood, but please prove your case before sending our troops off to war.

Before you cheer this "new information" ask yourself the following:

1) What "US security services" are involved.

2) Who are "the officials."

3) Please explain "the suspicions" that were mentioned.

4) Please name the " hawks in the Bush administration."

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- unidentified US security services

- possible new links between Iraq and the September 11 attacks.

- as being the possible mastermind of the atrocity.

- a Kuwaiti-born member of Osama bin Laden's al-Qa'ida organisation

- The officials said they believed he was at large somewhere... - there were suspicions that he was involved in the bombings

- However, it had not been known for sure that he was involved with al-Qa'ida, let alone at such a high level.

- Some hawks in the Bush administration anxious to launch a military invasion of Iraq believe that Yousef is in fact an Iraqi agent

- The new information, suggesting that Mohammed was deeply involved in both the operational and financial planning of the September 11 attacks, came largely from captured al-Qa'ida members including Abu Zubeida,

32 posted on 06/06/2002 6:27:04 AM PDT by Jethro Tull
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To: knak
Mohammed had previously been implicated in the thwarted attempt by Yousef and others to blow up 12 airliners above the Pacific Ocean in 1995 ...

Anyone remember the interview that Bill O'Reilly did with James Woods, the actor, a few weeks after 9-11?

Woods described a trans-Pacific flight he took some time previously, where he noted some middle eastern men who looked and behaved suspiciously. He brought it to the attention of a flight attendant, and was later contacted by the FBI for an interview.

They told him (if memory serves) that he had provided a valuable lead.

Is it possible this incident is connected with the "attempted bombing of airliners over the Pacific"?

44 posted on 06/06/2002 8:55:59 AM PDT by Illbay
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To: knak
He was named as Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, a Kuwaiti-born member of Osama bin Laden's al-Qa'ida organisation

This trails dead as a doornail.When are the neo-cons gonna quit with this ruse?

Some hawks in the Bush administration anxious to launch a military invasion of Iraq believe that Yousef is in fact an Iraqi agent and that the man ultimately responsible for many of the terror plots of the past decade is Saddam Hussein.

Blah,blah,blah,when are we gonna stand up to the neo-cons and tell them to shut their traps?I 'aint sending my son to war on behalf of Israel.Let Israel bomb Iraq if they want to,let's bring the troops home.
71 posted on 06/06/2002 2:55:44 PM PDT by Aleksandar Vojvoda
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To: knak
The RATS must be provy to something in the intelligence committee as they are now going to be in favor of ousting Saddam. What bit of news did they get concerning Iraq's involvement with 9/11.
74 posted on 06/06/2002 7:27:28 PM PDT by finnman69
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