Posted on 06/05/2002 11:51:09 AM PDT by sheltonmac
. . . though a number of other people have suspected different dynamics and motiavtions in my "foolness." You are welcome to your own opinion.
I Love watching Almighty God bring prophetic passages to vivid, concrete, literal fulfillment in our era. If you prefer to walk around in our hazardous era with blinders on, far be it from me to try and constrain your limited freedom further.
This Scripture does not exclude Israeli's in the least. It merely adds.
Quite so!
AND . . .
For they are not all truly mine who are of the First Church of the Frozen Chosen. Nor are they all children because they are the seed of wild Scripture flingers.
God tends to look on the heart whether Israeli then, when or now--or Christian then, when or now. And those seeking truly after God shall find Him--HE SAID. And if you think there are no Israeli's truly seeking after God, your thinking and theology are more dismaying than I thought.
And if you think Almighty God would not care more for Israel as a NATION with 10 or 100 truly seeking Him than He cared for Sodom and Gomorrah . . . had 10 righteous been found in them.. . . . then I can't imagine what 7/11 you bought your logic at.
Yet it takes less than ten responses for one Dispensational Christian brother to refer to those that hold to Reformed Theology as "anti-semites." That is no way to behave, especially towards other believers.
Then for emphasis: "It is finished.(John 19:30)"
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I'm not sure if the problem is a rubber Bible or rubber logic.
Fulfilling the law and finishing the legal reclaiming of earth from Satan is suppposed to have some import vis a vis this prophetic era not being Biblically predicted end times?
Maybe my juggling of too many things and issues prevents me from bending my logic flexibly enough to follow such "reason"-ing.
humbled and honored. Thanks.
IMO it is better (and more accurate) to say that Replacement theology is in itself, anti-Semitic, rather than generalizing and saying those who believe it are also. That may or may not be so.
Rom 11:17-18: "But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive, were grafted in among them and became partaker with them of the rich root of the olive tree, do not be arrogant toward the branches; but if you are arrogant, remember that it is not you who supports the root, but the root supports you."
As you already quoted from 11:25, "a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fulness of the Gentiles has come in."
But it is still easy to buy a one-way ticket to hell!
They are certainly, as a group, more prayerful, more earnest, more humble, more Spiritual in the best sense of the word. The Cultural Revolution tended to weed out the rice Christians right and left.
Some are chagrinned at the prophecies which seem to refer to Mainland China vis a vis entering the midEast against Israel. . . but they still believe them.
Their eyes tend to be on their Soon Coming King and how to please Him and share His Love and Salvation. They are excited to be alive in such a prophetic time and to have such opportunities to be involved in the end times that many Biblical greats longed to see, as The Bible says.
My brand of evangelism? I just try to love people--when possible--to love them into The Kingdom. I also warn all and sundry about globalism and suggest bench-mark events that might end up fostering individuals deciding to seek God--the God of that crazy barbarian (moi) who's construction on reality turned out to be very predictive. That is, I plant a LOT of seeds with a lot of logical and emotional memory hooks Holy Spirit can easily use to call people unto Jesus.
Given the people showing so much love and tearfulness at my leaving, I guess I'd say my whatever seems to have gone over quite well enough. Mercifully, Jesus uses our best and our worst--and given that our best is but a used Kotex, I'm mighty glad He does use our best and worst for His Kingdom and benefit. Bless His Name and Power!
On first (and second) reading, this appears to be a very arrogant response. I'm not flexing anything, just taking Jesus at his word. I'm not "reason-ing" anything, just taking Jesus at his word. "It is finished".
Malachi 4:5 (read it and weep), the final prophecy in the old testament, was fulfilled nearly 2000 years ago.
It's troubling.
But when there's a tone, flavor, feeling of anti-Semitism, I think it's valid to point it out. And personally, I have felt such in some related posts.
I wonder what Jesus' feelings are--the One who wept over Jerusalem. . . knowing what they would have to endure before they woke up to who He really was/is.
I too remain a strong proponent of Israel.
I have a comment, and please feel free to critique. Was not the covenant with Israel that God would scatter tham when they are disobedient, but bring them back together if they repent and renew the covenant?
So are dispensationalists claiming that ethnic Israel repented of their sins in 1948 when they were made a physical, political nation by the UN? This is impossible, because the basis of repentance is faith in Christ, and the Jewish nation has as yet offerend no such repentance as a whole.
So how could the establishment of Israel be a prophetic event? Perhaps a someone who holds to dispensationalism could answer.
It doesn't need to seem or be arrogant. It can easily and accurately be read as a lack of ability to match the contortions of the "logic" Replacement Theology involves.
I've heard that much of The Bible is prophecy and that more has been fulfilled since Israel became a nation again IN A DAY as prophecied--as it did in 1948 . . . than has been fulfilled all the previous centuries combined. I tend to believe that assertion.
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