Abolish The European Union

FrontPageMagazine.com | 5 June 02 | Robert Locke

[yendu bwam]

A great number of Europeans are coming to the conclusion that they receive much less than they are gaining by joining the EU. For most, the EU is a costly pain in the derriere.

[anguish]

I fell asleep after the author spit out paragraphs about Germany's "well-deserved guilt". Pretty much voids the article altogether. Guilt of some senile ex-nazi's in a old folks home in Berlin maybe, but not a deserved guilt of the nation as such.

[DrDavid]

The biggest mistake the EU made was not writing down the relationship between Federal Europe and the individual countries and the relationship between the individual countries with each other. This was where the US Constitution started. The result is that the Federal Government in Europe can grow itself without any restraints.

[2banana]

The result is that the Federal Government in Europe can grow itself without any restraints.

Please explain how this is different than the US model?

[DrDavid]

The US Federal Government has to ignore and violate Constitutional restraints to give itself power. I agree this is only a slight inpediment instead of a blank check that Federal Europe has.

[Ohioan]

While the decision, of course must be made by the people involved, my views on the EU were set forth in An Open Letter To The Conservatives Of Europe.

I found this paragraph in the essay you posted of some interest, in view of the essay I just completed on Cult Of "The Holocaust"--Golden Calf Of The 20th Century:

For example, one motivating factor behind the ongoing attempt of the EU to become a superstate is the colossal unresolved guilt felt by Germany about her Nazi past. Germans would very much like to abolish Germany as a nation and declare themselves citizens of "Europe" so that their consciences wouldn’t have to bear the burden of being Germans.

It is idiotic for Germans to seek to atone for following one pack of Socialists by following another pack of Socialists. Germans should rediscover pride in the heritage that Marx and Hitler tried to destroy. They need to look at substance and forget the word games that the Left has played to create misunderstanding of where the Nazis actually stood in terms of the ideological spectrum. (See The Lies of Socialism.)

Let me put this all another way. Hitler and Marx were about new world orders. The EU is about new world orders. The brutality of the Twentieth Century was all about people pursuing new world orders. It is time that someone woke up and spoke up for the old evolving traditions of Western Civilization. They were not always perfect, but they were getting to be the best that man had ever known, in the Nineteenth Century. Then came the egalitarians, the Socialists, the power seekers with a vision for abolishing human nature, human traditions. It is time we stopped the nonsense and returned to rooted values--everywhere that civilized men reside.

William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site

[DrDavid]

Another EU sophism: the benefits of free trade within the EU require its existence. False: all they require is the absence of tariffs between the member states, as the old Common Market, predecessor of the EU, used to provide.

This is a bad argument. A European company trading in Europe had to exchange currencies. The exchange was not just between their home currency and other countries, but between all the countries in which they do business. American and Asian based companies could minimize this. The result is that each time a product or service crossed a border 10% had to be added to its price to pay the moneychangers and uncertainties in exchange rates.

Also many European currencies had less money than many US pension funds. These funds could be used to leverage against the currency and push exchange rate to "pump money" out of central banks. This happened to Britain when the Pound devalued 15% overnight. Britain is one of the largest currencies in Europe. I think George Soros was one of the people who profited by billions UKP from this forced devaluation.

[Always Right]

What is the EU and why do we care?

[Pearls Before Swine]

Unfortunately, the welfare machine constructed to narcotize European electorates after WWII produces a far more passive electorate than in the US...

...and THAT'S saying something!

[anguish]

I think George Soros was one of the people who profited by billions UKP from this forced devaluation.

He's also one of those who sent the Swedish Krona into tailspin. This is why I, a conservative Swede, am for the euro (even though we're still clinging on to the Krona). This, as I call it, "economic terrorism" does not need any national backing, but can be executed by single or a few big players to make enormous amounts of money. Small currencies are especially vulnerable to this kind of abuse.

[Red Jones]

If the European citizens are more passive than the american citizens, then that is REALLY passive, wow!!!

[Red Jones]

The EU government is animated by evil. It is not in the interest of anyone to give them power.

A few years ago I read that massive amounts of money (10% of the budget even) were disappearing in the EU and that corruption was to blame. Then there were a dozen or so bureaucrats that had to resign because it was revealed that massive amounts of money had disappeared. These bureaucrats who the news said were responsible for 'losing' billions of dollars were simply allowed to leave without any further punishment.

The EU is a tyrant completely beyond the control of ordinary Europeans.

But remember this. Some years ago a newly elected president of spain told reporters on his first day in office that he had just had a meeting with Henry Kissinger and that Henry had explained to the new president that spain would prosper if he goes along with their agenda because the banking system would smile on spain if he did go along. And HK further explained, according to the president of spain, that if he did not go along with the agenda that manipulations would be made through the banking system to harm spain during his tenure.

Repeat after me: THERE IS NO CLIQUE OF ELITE TRYING TO RULE THE WORLD ... ... THERE IS NO CLIQUE OF ELITE TRYING TO RULE THE WORLD ... ... ONLY RIGHT WING NUTS WHO DESERVE TO BE MURDERED AS THEY WERE AT WACO & RUBY RIDGE THINK THAT SORT OF THING ... ... THERE IS NO CLIQUE OF ELITE TRYING TO RULE THE WORLD.

[anguish]

Between 80 and 90% of those eligible to vote (all 18yrs or older) in Sweden participate in the elections, and it's been like that since after WWII. Similar stats are common in Europe, so I guess that's not what the author is refering to.

[DrDavid]

At least Soros can afford to buy a beer in Sweden!

When I visited Sweden a .25L cost twice as much as a pint in London!

[anguish]

At least Soros can afford to buy a beer in Sweden!

That's right. Hit me where it hurts! ;) Stupid no-good "sin-taxes".

[Billthedrill]

It's going to be an interesting experiment in government, at least, and a cautionary tale for wouldbe nation-builders. The usual pattern is for a bureaucracy to grow out of a smaller local government, generally in conjunction with similar growth in industry, defense requirements, and overall economy. Here we have an existing bureaucracy expanding rapidly and taking over an existing economy of questionable efficiency, and expanding defense requirements with questionable assets to meet them and questionable will to expand them. Some serious re-prioritizing is going to be necessary in order for this extranational entity to take its place in the world power structure, and the ability of an entrenched bureaucracy to accomplish this is...well, it's also questionable. It'll be interesting to watch.

[Mudboy Slim]

"A great number of Europeans are coming to the conclusion that they receive much less than they are gaining by joining the EU. For most, the EU is a costly pain in the derriere."

They are learning the same lessons America has been learning over the last 40-70 years...that is, the centralization of decision-making power benefits only the Effete Elite who grant themselves this power and the BureaucRATS who serve the Almighty Guv'ment.

Welcome to FR, Mr./Ms. bwam...MUD

[Gargantua]

Fantastic article. All points that cried out to be published. A long but worthy read, and should be required reading for every American and European citizen.

[DrDavid]

I live in Minnesota and our government is doing everything in its power to catch up to you in Sweden!

I'm afraid that in a few years I'll have to join you in Sweden to escape the high taxes here! Then maybe we can pool all our resources and share one beer.