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U.S. Will Seek to Fingerprint (Muslim and Middle Eastern) Visas' Holders
New York Times ^ | 6/05/02 | ERIC SCHMITT

Posted on 06/04/2002 11:12:18 PM PDT by kattracks

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"This is targeting a group of people, the overwhelming majority of whom are innocent, but whose lives will be turned upside down," Mr. Zogby added

If I were Mr. Zogby I'd choose my words more carefully. Would he rather be targeted to be fingerprinted or one of a group of totally innocent people whose lives were lost when they were targeted by a commercial jet piloted by group of Islamic Arabs.

BTW, did anyone hear Mansoor Ijaz on Imus this morning? He was great. Blasted his co-religionists in this country for whining about things like this. Said he is American first, and Muslim second and that they all should be that way. Slos blasted 3 people in the Clinton admin that were responsible for letting Osama go free. I can't believe this guy is a Dem, but he is.

41 posted on 06/05/2002 7:40:14 AM PDT by CaptRon
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To: Aggie Mama
Besides your excellent no BS logic on this, there is step two in this.

After a cut off time of 30 days to register and be fingerprinted, any Islamic alien who didn't register or fingerprinted is immediately a criminal at large. If he or she is caught with no registration without the fingerprints, they are arrested. If they have illegal documentation, they are charged as spies for the al Qeada thugs.

42 posted on 06/05/2002 7:43:46 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: ffrancone
Yes. I would suggest taking DNA samples also.

And continuing to think along that line, perhaps there is a good use for those Digital Angel GPS microchips.

43 posted on 06/05/2002 7:46:50 AM PDT by Freebird Forever
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To: aristeides
"Dianne Feinstein publicly declared her mind changed on profiling on Wolf Blitzer's Late Edition on CNN Sunday.

Keep in mind the only reason the PC/Liberal crowd is even saying this now is to cover their own a**'s. They know that when another terrorist attack happens here, as we all know it will in some form or another, and they have been pushing the PC BS, their political careers and well as their personal lives will cease to be. As the old saying goes, "A leopard can't change its spots", but in this case it will sure as hell try to convince the prey that it can.

44 posted on 06/05/2002 8:02:44 AM PDT by JustAnAmerican
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To: monkeywrench
Ashcroft is to be commended for this, depite the lamestream presstitutes' lack of coverage.
45 posted on 06/05/2002 8:12:00 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: The Great Satan
This is political jujitsu at its finest

Sorry, I can't agree. Since this move is simply enforcement of an existing law, it could have been enacted last fall, as Americans were still reeling from the effects of 9/11, and subjected to a daily bombardment of revelations concerning the identities of the hijackers and the web of Arab/Muslim terrorists active within our borders.

It is also a waste of time and manpower, since Justice could have fingerprinted these people when they conducted the initial interviews of thousands of Arab immigrants months ago -- many of whom, I am certain, will not be found the second time around, not to mention those who have since entered the country and, (knowing their patterns), will have disappeared into the landscape by now.

I truly wish I could share your optimism about grand political maneuvers behind the scenes. Unfortunately, I see an administration wracked by internal dissent and full of Clinton holdovers such as Tenent and miguided "can't we all just get along" appointees, such as Minetta and Powell, who have a stake in maintaining the bureaucratic status quo.

It's time for a “my way or the highway” housecleaning by the President, if he means to put his West Point speech into action., and truly lead the war on terror.

46 posted on 06/05/2002 8:28:48 AM PDT by browardchad
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To: The Great Satan
This is political jujitsu at its finest, from an established master.

There's much to be said for The Art of War and it's subtle implementation.

47 posted on 06/05/2002 8:44:24 AM PDT by callisto
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To: ppaul
Jeese! Sometimes the most obvious semms to take forever...
48 posted on 06/05/2002 8:56:03 AM PDT by vannrox
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To: kattracks
Why don't they just fingerprint ALL visa holders?

I have to offer a fingerprint if I try to cash a check at a local bank where I have no account. Because I am not a signator on my company's checking account, I have to put my fingerprint on any check I bring to the bank on our company's account in return for a certified bank check (cash)-- and I am half owner of the company! What's the big deal? If they have nothing to hide, then there should be no objection.

And I don't want any flames about sacrificing precious freedoms. Your (any everbody else's) freedom stops right where it starts to hurt me, my family, or other members of my community.

49 posted on 06/05/2002 8:57:47 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: kattracks
One of the leaders of the interagency discussion on the alien registration proposal is a conservative University of Missouri at Kansas City law professor, Kris W. Kobach, officials said.

Although Mr. Kobach, 36, is only a White House fellow on temporary assignment to the Justice Department, he also played a central role in another contentious proposal to give state and local police departments the power to track down illegal immigrants as a new tactic in the global war on terror.

You can always count on the NYT to give us a heads-up about the involvement of conservative, right-wing, hate-filled nuts so that we know not to give any credence to the subject at hand.

Phew, that was close - I was beginning to think this defending the borders thing was a good idea.

50 posted on 06/05/2002 9:14:38 AM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: aristeides
Ok then some A.C.L.U. penis takes up the cause for the rights of the poor downtrodden arab.
51 posted on 06/05/2002 9:38:24 AM PDT by Joe Boucher
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To: kattracks
Saudi Arabia was conspicuously absent from the articles I read in other newspapers.
52 posted on 06/05/2002 10:26:01 AM PDT by Stingray51
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To: kattracks
Wait until the Rev. Al the the Rev. Jesse get a hold of this one!
53 posted on 06/05/2002 10:33:34 AM PDT by Mr. Wright
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To: Joe Boucher
You got it. The Compost article has the ACLU involved in the suits.
54 posted on 06/05/2002 10:41:07 AM PDT by aristeides
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To: tcostell
ref your post yes you are correct the one person being tried for complicity in 9-11 had a french passport, but all the ones who were here on student visa from SArabia are dead....It is islamists we need to deport. No matter what passport, because there are certainly idiot islamists all over the world. did I always hate islamics? No. Did i learn to hate them? yes.....
55 posted on 06/05/2002 10:47:23 AM PDT by Capt.YankeeMike
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To: Aggie Mama
What's the logic of this?" said Jeanne Butterfield, executive director of the American Immigration Lawyers Association. "Anyone who's truly dangerous is not going to show up to be registered."

I call BS on this statement. Didn't most of the hijackers use their real names and go through regular channels? When they boarded the planes, they were dressed in Western clothes to blend in....They will do the exact same thing.

They may but I doubt it. We were collectively asleep pri 9/11. Now (I hope and pray) our intelligence and enforcement agencies fully aware of the consequences of inaction. I think a sleeper would think twice about showing up to get fingerprinted. He would be taking a significant chance.

As there is not current list of all aliens in the country who are from terrorist nations, the INS will not simply be able to round up everyone who does not show up. This registration process will be effective because thereafter, anyone encountered who had refused to registered could be immediately hooked up and processed for removed for a legal cause. This is why we need to allow local law enforcement to work with the INS.

56 posted on 06/05/2002 10:58:57 AM PDT by usurper
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To: kattracks
Screw the fingerprints and photo's. Implant the chip in 'em, track their every movement, or tell 'em to get the f*** out of our country.
57 posted on 06/05/2002 11:12:52 AM PDT by usconservative
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To: Dialup Llama
Violators could be fined, refused re-entry into the United States or possibly deported, officials said

They have to find them first. If these people are terrorists, they'll simply "disappear" long before INS starts looking for them.

58 posted on 06/05/2002 11:30:55 AM PDT by Attillathehon
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To: afraidfortherepublic
"This is targeting a group of people, the overwhelming majority of whom are innocent, but whose lives will be turned upside down," Mr. Zogby added. "The message it sends is that we're becoming like the Soviet Union, with people registering at police stations."

19 hijackers on 9/11......19 arabs....we fingerprint arabs.

59 posted on 06/05/2002 12:00:49 PM PDT by Dog
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To: kattracks
HURRAY!
IT IS about time.
60 posted on 06/05/2002 12:42:44 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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