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America's Soccer Isolationism-Is Football An Omen? (Mega Hurl Alert-Hooligan 'Urine Bomb' Style)
Andrew Sullivan VIA London Times ^ | June 2, 2002 | Robert Samuelson

Posted on 06/04/2002 7:45:59 PM PDT by codebreaker

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More U.S. bashing from overseas on our foriegn policy and how it relates to the World Cup Tourney.

I think Andrew Sullivan somewhat agrees.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: politics; soccer; sullivan; uktimes
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To: gcruse
Soccer reminds me of 'Pong.'
21 posted on 06/04/2002 9:33:48 PM PDT by piasa
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To: LWalk18
You should see the threads on cheese and moose...
22 posted on 06/04/2002 9:35:12 PM PDT by piasa
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To: piasa
Soccer reminds me of 'Pong.'

Pong has more action.




23 posted on 06/04/2002 9:38:17 PM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: gcruse
Except, of course, you can't even call it football. Though American football is clearly derivative, it's just 'football' in America.

Yes, it is just "football". No prefix. It is not "clearly derivative" (from soccer) either as a few minutes of web searching shows. If it was derived from anything, it would be Rugby anyway. And yes, even though one of the world cup sites is Kobe, I am going to show my American-ness and ignore it (except to defend Football, go Dolphins!).

A history of soccer (Argentina, English). A history of football.

24 posted on 06/04/2002 10:05:55 PM PDT by altair
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To: gcruse
Who wants to work for lira?

It's from a British publication, so I would guess that's pounds, not lira. Italian lira has been replaced by the Euro, but the currency converter says that 18,000 lira is about $8.75. For a 90 minute game, I guess that would be about minimum wage. :-)

25 posted on 06/04/2002 10:13:34 PM PDT by altair
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To: piasa; Sabertooth
Awful lot of threads about 'Moose Limbs' too. Heh Heh

Nam Vet

26 posted on 06/04/2002 11:02:49 PM PDT by Nam Vet
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To: gcruse
Look at it this way. If we took up soccer seriously, we would become the champions at it so often as to engender nationalistic hatred and envy. Be glad we don't piddle in their puddle.

Here's how to shock a European. When they start ranting about why isn't soccer so popular in America ask them to consider what would happen if it was. Look at hockey. North American teams are taking most of the good players from Russia. If soccer became a national pastime here, multi million dollar salaries would drain most of Europe's talent pool. The European clubs couldn't compete against America for prime players, the money isn't there. Worldwide soccer would be ruined as national heros would leave their teams for the big bucks.

27 posted on 06/04/2002 11:15:02 PM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult
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To: codebreaker
The game is seen by many as too feminized...

True...

How about those cutsy little shorty-short outfits and those garish colors that the guys wear? And there is no such thing as a "soccer-swagger", in those outfits, is there? No sticks, bats, or flexing any guns either...

Any men here at FR willing to admit they're betting on, or asking friends to "come over and watch World Cup soccer"?

28 posted on 06/04/2002 11:18:13 PM PDT by F16Fighter
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To: codebreaker
What World Cup?"
29 posted on 06/04/2002 11:20:02 PM PDT by Flyer
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To: F16Fighter
Any men here at FR willing to admit they're betting on, or asking friends to "come over and watch World Cup soccer"? That would be me... who has blown a knee, shattered a foot on a slide tackle, and had a wicked shot by an italian immigrant kid snap my ulna in half, all while playing "girly soccer"

What is up with you people anyways? To each their own. Baseball is boring as hell to me, but others like it. To each their own. The US is playing portugal in 2 and a half hours as I type, and I am going to be rooting hard.

Speaking of salaries in soccer, the top players earn over $100,000 a week plying their trade in Europe.

Rupert Murdoch bought the Dodgers for around $300 million, but got turned down when he offered $1,000,000,000 for top English side Manchester United. It is a money sport.

I genuinely think that the big problem americans have with soccer is that we are not yet the best.

Who here gives a rip about competitive cycling? If Greg Lemond and Lance Armstrong didn't win the tour de france, we wouldn't care, but they do, so we do care.

It is the difference between being a cubs fan or a yankees fan. I love soccer, I love my country, I love my national men's soccer team.

30 posted on 06/04/2002 11:33:01 PM PDT by dogbyte12
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To: codebreaker
That Offsides rule is the STUPIDEST RULE IN ANY SPORT! It seems to work for hockey, but I've harbored the secret desire to play a basketball game with that stupid offsides rule to show how boring it is!
31 posted on 06/04/2002 11:42:28 PM PDT by Born on the Storm King
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To: spitbolt
3-0!!!!!!!!!!!!!
35 posted on 06/05/2002 2:36:11 AM PDT by Jakarta ex-pat
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To: spitbolt
Fantastic game so far. I'm watching it in a hotel room in Busan, where I will see Uruguay Vs France Tomorrow.

Pity so many Freepers have such a low opinion of the BEST game in the world:-)

37 posted on 06/05/2002 2:44:09 AM PDT by Jakarta ex-pat
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To: spitbolt
Then laugh at this. Do you realize how much big money makers are taxed in Europe? It's an ungodly percentage in some EU countries up to 90%. Many European millionaires are residents of countries like Barbados ( Mick Jagger, Rod Stewart)and other non European nations for tax purposes.
38 posted on 06/05/2002 3:01:54 AM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult
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To: Jakarta ex-pat
Pity so many Freepers have such a low opinion of the BEST game in the world:-)

I don't like soccer.
Yet, after my friend called and woke me up at 2-0, I leaped from my chair after the third goal.
USA USA USA
Too bad the times are so screwy.

39 posted on 06/05/2002 3:06:32 AM PDT by PRND21
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To: PRND21
Heart stopping stuff at the moment.

Hope you're enjoying :-)

40 posted on 06/05/2002 3:20:01 AM PDT by Jakarta ex-pat
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