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To: FreedominJesusChrist; Victoria Delsoul; Pelham; Travis McGee; Joe Hadenuf; sarcasm; harpseal...
There's more BS from Arellano, where he's fielding e-mails on this article:
e-mailer (to Arellano):

You are a liar.

I was at that world cup match in Pasadena, the Illegal Aliens who comprise the majority of Mexicans in the Southwest did much more than cheer for the Tricolores,
they threw cans, bottles, and trash at the US team and spat upon those close enough to reach.

The some 13 Million criminals who have invaded this country don't seek some outlet for frustration or connection to their "home country" they have no
intention of assimilating into US culture, they seek only to use the United States as an ATM with free education and health care for themselves and their
children, while the US citizens and legal immigrants pick up the tab. They don't cheer for the US because first and foremost
they are Mexicans, not Americans and have no desire to be otherwise.

Try a little truth instead of just spewing multi-cultural crap...Amigo.

Arellano's response...

Buddy boy,

Two points:

1. Wasn't a World Cup match; it was a Gold Cup match
2. The match was played in the LA Coliseum, not Pasadena

Get your "truths" right before you accuse me of anything. Makes you seem like the crap-spewer instead of me.
LINK

Not only does he never address the substance of the letter, the abysmal behavior of the Mexican soccer fans, if you'll look at Arellan's article above, you'll see he places the match in Pasadena. But in his e-mail reply he gets snide and uppity and says the match was at the L.A. Coliseum. What a chump.

e-mailer (to Arellano):

I read your article on the Internet about why Latino soccer fans boo the United States during soccer contests with Latin American teams, and concluded that you need to see more of these athletic contests. If you'd do this, you'd see this goes far deeper than athletic favoritism.

What I saw in 1998 at the L.A. Coliseum when I attended a US Mexico soccer match (Mexico 1-0), convinced me that the U.S. needs to rethink its immigration policies. I saw the overwhelmingly predominant group of Latino fans hurl plastic bottles filled with water at the U.S. soccer team, splashing and bouncing at their feet. This was followed by avalanches of water and beer-filled cups, lemons, giant empty boxes, more water, more plastic and a few glass bottles, plus mountains of garbage that covered the U.S. team like an ugly blanket. I saw fathers instruct their sons how to urinate into plastic cups and hurl them at the Gringo athletes. All this was accompanied by choruses of words screamed in Spanish. All this infantilism & disloyalty followed loud booing by Mexican fans, presumably future citizens, when the American National Anthem was played, while hundreds more of these "fans" displayed American Flags, - -upside-down.

These disgraceful anti-American outbursts went far beyond a soccer game and convinced me that fool-proof ways must be found to determine one's allegiance to this country before they're ever allowed to become U.S. citizens.

Arellano's response...

Thank you for your comments,

I agree with you that the soccer matches go much farther than athletic favoritism; in fact, that was the crux of my argument. Saying that does not mean that I endorse the sometimes-ugly displays of it (as you accurately noted in the 1998 match) but that said, I would not go as far as to take the measures you would take to ensure that things like this do not happen again. After all, the fans do keep this anti-Americanism in expressions like sporting events (and it even happens with "Americans" as fan hatred towards wrestling star Kurt Angle attests) and that's much better than having these immigrants marauding around constantly spouting these anti-American sentiments. And while I do agree with you that we must make sure that future immigrants become good Americans, we must also allow Americans (whether current or future) in general to express distrust towards this country once in a while. Thank you once again.
LINK

Once again, this little apologist for Illegals and the bad behavior of Mexicans at that soccer game glosses over the point.

Anyone who wants to Freep Gustavo Arellano can do so here:

arell102@chapman.edu




46 posted on 06/04/2002 8:04:24 PM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: Sabertooth
This article was in today's SF Chron. I read it this morning on my way into work. This line really pissed me off and I fired off and e-mail to Gustavo when I got into work.

Iran's 2-1 upset victory over the American squad during the 1998 World Cup was considered by many in the Iranian expatriate community -- with memories of the U.S.-backed Shah's brutal regime still fresh in their minds -- as one of their country's grandest moments. It sparked jubilant celebrations both here and in Tehran.

The Iranian expat community is comprised of Jews who left the country to avoid persecution and former government and military personnel who served under the Shah. They can be in no way described as anti-Shah or anti-American.

I used to live and work right near the little Tehran retail district in Westwood, California. I happened to be at work the day Iran defeated the US. I walked home through the celebration and no where did I witness any anti-American sentiment.

The author of the article is an ethnic studies graduate student at UCLA. He's got an ax to grind and he wrote an article that supports his bias, not one that's based upon facts.

61 posted on 06/04/2002 9:42:16 PM PDT by G-Bob
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To: Sabertooth
The some 13 Million criminals who have invaded this country don't seek some outlet for frustration or connection to their "home country" they have no intention of assimilating into US culture, they seek only to use the United States as an ATM with free education and health care for themselves and their children, while the US citizens and legal immigrants pick up the tab. They don't cheer for the US because first and foremost they are Mexicans, not Americans and have no desire to be otherwise.

And there you have it,boys and girls. The whole problem,summed up in a nutshell.

88 posted on 06/04/2002 10:55:46 PM PDT by sneakypete
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To: Sabertooth; jordan8
bumpity-bump!
A cheap biased shot by a LIBERAL loser, I'd say, Saber.
Thanks for the pingaroo!

99 posted on 06/05/2002 5:00:07 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP
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To: Sabertooth
Kurt Angle? He's booed since his CHARACTER is a jackass, like much like Gustavo Arellano. I doubt Kurt Angle(the real person) was booed by Americans back in 1996.

Gustavo here needs to learn that the WWF is SCRIPTED.

127 posted on 06/06/2002 3:20:49 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan
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