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Universe is a computer
Nature ^ | 3 June 2002 | Phillip Ball

Posted on 06/03/2002 10:42:37 PM PDT by sourcery

We are all living inside a gigantic computer. No, not The Matrix: the Universe.

Seth Lloyd, a physicist at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology in Cambridge, has estimated how much information the Universe can contain, and how many calculations it has performed since the Big Bang1.

Lloyd views every process, every change that takes place in the Universe, as a kind of computation. One way of looking at the exercise is to imagine setting up a simulation of the Universe, particle for particle, on a hypothetical super-duper computer.

To simulate the Universe in every detail since time began, the computer would have to have 1090 bits - binary digits, or devices capable of storing a 1 or a 0 - and it would have to perform 10120 manipulations of those bits. Unfortunately there are probably only around 1080 elementary particles in the Universe.

Computer science

Just as clocks were the favourite analogy for complex systems during the age of Newton, now scientists like to compare everything to computers. DNA is sometimes described as digital, and the human brain, consciousness and life itself are discussed as though they all involve computation. So is Lloyd taking it all too far, depicting the Universe as a computer?

Perhaps; but Lloyd has a reputation as a challenging lateral thinker, especially in information theory. Two years ago he calculated the physical limits to computation: the constraints that physical laws place on the power of, say, a laptop-sized computer2. Now he's just doing the same for a Universe-sized computer.

The Universe is computing its own dynamical evolution
--Seth Lloyd, Massachusetts Institute of Technology

The concept of physics as a computational process was articulated by the US physicist John Archibald Wheeler in the phrase "It from Bit". And complexity guru Stephen Wolfram suggests in his recent book A New Kind of Science3 that all of reality might result from a kind of algorithm, like a computer program, being enacted again and again on the underlying building blocks of space and matter.

We tend to associate computation with problem-solving, whereas it isn't clear that there is any 'problem' for the Universe to solve. But the connection between information science and physical processes appears once we think about events on the quantum scale.

Quantum switch

Every fundamental particle has a discrete number of different quantum states available to it. If a particle moves from one quantum state to another, this is rather like switching a bit in a computer from one state (say, 1) to another (say, 0).

"If one regards the Universe as performing a computation", says Lloyd, "most of the elementary operations in that computation consist of protons, neutrons, electrons and photons moving from place to place and interacting with each other according to the basic laws of physics."

What, then, is the Universe computing? "Its own dynamical evolution", says Lloyd. As the computation proceeds, reality unfolds.

He estimated the maximum number of logical operations the Universe has performed by calculating its total energy with Einstein's E = mc2. The energy of any physical system determines how fast it can switch from one quantum state to another - how fast it can compute.


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To: sourcery
Wolfram - the sourcecode for the universe is about 5 lines.
21 posted on 06/04/2002 9:32:47 AM PDT by RightWhale
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To: sourcery
What, then, is the Universe computing? "

It is computing the answer, we of course we all know is 42.

22 posted on 06/04/2002 9:35:12 AM PDT by Bitman
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To: jennyp
A Deep Thought/White Mouse placemarker.
23 posted on 06/04/2002 9:35:57 AM PDT by Junior
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To: sourcery
If the universe is a computer, what's the operating system? I'll bet it WIN NTE=MC2.
24 posted on 06/04/2002 9:44:13 AM PDT by bribriagain
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To: sourcery
What, then, is the Universe computing? "Its own dynamical evolution", says Lloyd. As the computation proceeds, reality unfolds.

So we're in a reality emulator? And the Big Bang was a hard boot?

And the programmer has stepped out for coffee... ;)

25 posted on 06/04/2002 10:04:18 AM PDT by forsnax5
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To: sourcery
To a carpenter every problem looks like a nail.

The universe is itself, not some weak paradigm posited by an MIT grad student. Calling it a computer merely projects onto the cosmos todays latest technological achievement, which is in the abstract the realization that one can order actions and achieve great complexity from simple things.

A more accurate statement in this regard is, rather than the Universe being a computer, that a computer is a Universe.

26 posted on 06/04/2002 10:08:45 AM PDT by chilepepper
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To: sourcery
So can we just REBOOT and start all over again?
27 posted on 06/06/2002 6:24:43 AM PDT by Apple Pan Dowdy
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To: Apple Pan Dowdy
"So can we just REBOOT and start all over again?"

Yeah that is what you call the big bang.

28 posted on 06/08/2002 9:24:17 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn
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To: blam; dighton; Physicist


Seth Lloyd, a physicist at the Midvale School for the Gifted,
has estimated how much information the Universe can contain,
and how many calculations it has performed since the Big Bang1.

29 posted on 06/08/2002 10:00:04 PM PDT by Thinkin' Gal
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To: Texaggie79
Ditto you had a crappy childhood too. Ive thought of this theory myself.
30 posted on 06/18/2002 4:09:03 PM PDT by weikel
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To: RightWhale
Hmmm one objection wouldn't putting two mirrors facing each other create an infinity and crash the system if this were true?
31 posted on 06/18/2002 4:10:40 PM PDT by weikel
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To: sourcery
but schopenhauers cat experiment and the photon experiment show that attention by human consciousness effects reality and the past. see discover mag a few months ago. i can find it tomorrow if need be.
32 posted on 06/18/2002 4:14:04 PM PDT by galt-jw
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To: A. Pole
If one sees the book of Shakespeare as physical object one can do an interesting analysis of the paper, shape, chemical content and even of the font used and frequence of specific letters. But the PROPER meaning of the book will be overlooked.

When I Heard the Learned Astronomer

Walt Whitman


When I heard the learned astronomer,

When the proofs, the figures, were ranged in columns before me,

When I was shown the charts and diagrams, to add, divide, and measure them,

When I sitting heard the astronomer where he lectured with much applause in the lecture-room,

How soon unaccountable I became tired and sick,

Till rising and gliding out I wandered off by myself,

In the mystical moist night-air, and from time to time,

Looked up in perfect silence at the stars.

33 posted on 06/18/2002 4:17:03 PM PDT by FairWitness
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To: sourcery
Everything is everything!!
34 posted on 06/18/2002 4:18:30 PM PDT by timestax
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To: weikel
Two parallel mirrors create an infinite sequence of virtual images. Like virtual memory [no extra cost for this feature] in your computer, there's nothing there.
35 posted on 06/18/2002 4:27:32 PM PDT by RightWhale
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To: weikel
Hmmm one objection wouldn't putting two mirrors facing each other create an infinity and crash the system if this were true?

No, because mirrors are not perfectly reflective and therefore attenuate the signal until it disappears below the noise floor of the universe. Lots of reflections aren't infinite reflections.

36 posted on 06/18/2002 4:30:04 PM PDT by tortoise
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To: RightWhale
Two parallel mirrors create an infinite sequence of virtual images. Like virtual memory [no extra cost for this feature] in your computer, there's nothing there.

Low memory isn't no memory. Even virtual images take up a little extra space for each reference to another object. You would still need to store the pointers for the effect to occur.

37 posted on 06/18/2002 4:32:47 PM PDT by tortoise
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To: tortoise
I failed discrete time signals( the worst class ever) and will be retaking it next year. Plz don't mention signals till then.
38 posted on 06/18/2002 4:33:57 PM PDT by weikel
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To: tortoise
That's the great thing about optical virtual images. Unlike in digital computers, there are no pointers. An infinity of nothing is nothing.
39 posted on 06/18/2002 4:38:16 PM PDT by RightWhale
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To: RightWhale
That's the great thing about optical virtual images. Unlike in digital computers, there are no pointers.

A pointer is just a metaphor. The point is that the number of optical vectors increases with each reflection, so Kolmogorov complexity of the parallel mirror case is a finite number larger (though not much larger, since much of the vector information is duplicated with each reflection) than the case of a single image. If the Kolmogorov complexity increases, so does the intrinsic memory requirement.

An infinity of nothing is nothing.

I believe it is actually indeterminant.

40 posted on 06/18/2002 5:18:58 PM PDT by tortoise
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