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To: finnman69
"...the study repeatedly states that the connection is not verifiable and that much of the rise in temperature may be completely natural."

I don't see the jist of "...the study repeatedly states that the connection is not verifiable and that much of the rise in temperature may be completely natural..." being reported much, if indeed it is the pull line from the Bush Report. What I've seen is that the report accepts American-caused Global Warming as a reality when I've seen much evidence to the contrary...once you cede that point, the Left is halfway towards a big legislative win!!

"Rush is pushing the 'what is the difference between Gore and Clinton?' What about tax cuts, ABM treaty, pulling out of Kyoto, reducing gov. intrusion of ergonomic issues, increasing the military budget, pushing for further welfare reform, limited stem cell research, etc....."

Have you noticed how many of these issues--except for the military budget--we implemented pre-9/11? I wonder if this move to the Left on Global Warming is a compromise to placate the Europeans in exchange for help on the War on Terrorism...I fear Dubyuh earned so many brownie points for his admirable response to that horrific event that he thinks we on the Right will accept anything else he does and still enthusiastically support his Left-appeasing Agenda. The Right's too principled to fall for that, IMHO.

FReegards...MUD

171 posted on 06/03/2002 11:20:43 AM PDT by Mudboy Slim
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To: Mudboy Slim
Have you noticed how many of these issues--except for the military budget--we implemented pre-9/11? I wonder if this move to the Left on Global Warming is a compromise to placate the Europeans in exchange for help on the War on Terrorism.
I think you may be right on this.
189 posted on 06/03/2002 11:28:34 AM PDT by Dales
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To: Mudboy Slim
The true history of George W. Bush's lean to the left only started about 3-4 months ago, sometime around in February or March. I am still at a loss for words about what the grand strategery is. Does he want to get the senate back? And if so why? He is not pushing any of his agenda he campaigned on before so why would that be important.

Is this a strategery for getting re-elected? It has to be since this nicey-nice is not rubbing off on fellow Republicnas and similar GOP'ers running on democrat issues are getting killed in the polls. This smells too much of Karl Rove.

301 posted on 06/03/2002 12:35:16 PM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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To: Mudboy Slim
From the summary word for word, this is the FIRST paragraph under SCIENCE:

"Greeen house gasses are accumulating in Earth's atmosphere as a result of human activity, causing global mean surface temperature and subsurface ocean temperature to rise.While the changes over the last several decades are likely due mostly to human activities, we cannot rule out that a significant part is also a reflection of natural variability"

To continues it says:

Reducing the wide range of uncertainty inherint in current model predictions will require major advances in understanding and modeling of the factors that determine the sensitivity of the climate system. Specifcally this will involve reducing uncertainty regarding:
-the future use of fossil fuels and futre emissions of methane.
-the fraction of the future fossil fuel carbon that will remain in the atmosphere and provide radiative forcing versus exchange with the oceans or net exchange with the land biosphere.
-the feedbacks in the climate system that determine both the magnitude of the change and the rate of energy uptake by the oceans.
-the impacts of climate change on regional and local levels.
-the nature and the causes of the natural variability of climate and its interactions with forced changes, and
-the direct and indirect effects of changing distributions of aerosols.

Knowledge of the climate system and of projections about the future climate is derived from fundamental physics, chemistry and observations. Data are then incorporated into global circulation models. However,model predictions are limited by the paucity of data available to evaluate the ability of coupled models to simulate important aspects of climate. To overcome these limitations,it is essential to ensure the existence of a longterm observing system and to make more comprehensive regional measurements of greeenhouse gasses.

Evidence is also emerging that black carbon contains aerosols ,(soot) which are formed by incomplete combustion, may be a significant contributor to global warming, although their relative importance is difficult to quantify at this point. These aerosols have significant negative health impacts,particularity in developing countries.

While current analyses are unable to predict with confidence the timing, magnitude, or regional distribution of climate change,the best scientific information indicates that if greeenhouse concentrations continue to increase, changes are likely to occur. The U.S. National Resarch Council has cautioned, however, that "because there is considerable uncertainty in current understanding of how the climate system varies naturally and reaacts to emissions of greenhouse gases and aerosols, current estimates of the magnitude of future warnings should be regarded as tentative and subject to future adjustments(either upwards or downwards)." Moreover, there is perhaps even greater uncertainty the social, environmental, and economic consequences of changes in climate.

306 posted on 06/03/2002 12:36:46 PM PDT by finnman69
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To: Mudboy Slim;sultan88;scholar
I've followed this blatherous comment & that concerning the entire matter; and, frankly I think you're making a whole lot out of nothing, my friend.

The man has 4 years to show us what he's got; period.
MY next vote will be based on the sum of the (his) parts; &, not some instantaneous value.

I'm sure in the hell not about to blow a gasket over something this silly; &, since The New York Slimes fingerprints are everywhere?
My POV is stiffened even moreso; as, the sewege-slingers at that Rag are working 24 & 7 to smear our side via our guy.

I mean just lookit; assualt #(fill in the blank) has begun in earnest at Sludge.
Now we're supposed to believe the Mabarak cretin over our OWN leader, eh?
That right?

Go for it.
Swallow the whole magilla hook, line, & sinker if you so desire, Mud.
For my part?
I'll just bide my time & see what this man Bush is really up to.
I shall make my judgement based upon the results *I* can actually measure for myself.
Certainly not what some sleezy, slimey Liberal-Socialist 'Rat sycophant bloodsucker who's embedded at an even more dispicable Liberal-Socialist RAG like the Slimes tells me is going on, thank you.

...eh relax my friend, the fight's not here; it's, over there.

1,155 posted on 06/04/2002 7:39:43 AM PDT by Landru
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