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To: Sci Fi Guy
2. killed that stupid enviromental treaty.

But from the looks of it is doing a switch on global warming which means he's going to enter some kind of enviromental treaty

3. withdrew from the anti-missle defense treaty
4. started working on missle defense

That's part of the same thing. Sorry only counts as one

7. Did cut taxes

Whoop de do!! And you basically had to claim it on this years taxes as income to be taxed. That's a tax cut?

8. Did nominate a lot of conservative judges.

That's a maybe but the only way to get these judges up to the floor is to elect a bunch of RINOs like Giddy Dolt, who will probably disagree with them, meaning Bush will have to go back and get more centrist judges

9. Did express support for Taiwan - really PO'd the Chicoms.

Wow, step back!! Expressed support, did he? Making a speech and some promises ten years down the line is a little weak compared to what X42 did to this nation for eight years.

10. Did/has a more pro-Israel policy than clinton did.

Exactly how has he done that? By not condemning the Israelis outright? No, as usual, just another POTUS forcing a peace treaty on the Israelis that does nothing more than hurt the Israelis

Compassionate conservatism doesn't work for me

126 posted on 06/03/2002 11:02:17 AM PDT by billbears
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To: billbears
2. killed that stupid enviromental treaty.

But from the looks of it is doing a switch on global warming which means he's going to enter some kind of enviromental treaty

There is a major difference between a treaty that we know would have destroyed our economy and some undefined future treaty that may or may not be proposed. Why don't you wait until a problem actually exists before you complain about it.

And again your challenge wasn't prove that Bush wasn't the perfect conservative, rather it was has he done anything conservative? (or resembles conservative thought, to use your exact words) Bush killed a horrible treaty that would have harmed our nation. Wasn't that the conservative thing to do?

3. withdrew from the anti-missle defense treaty
4. started working on missle defense

That's part of the same thing. Sorry only counts as one

No they are related issues but they are two separate battles that Bush is fighting. Just because we withdrew from the ABM treaty does not automaticly mean that we have a working missle defense. Nor does it mean that the democrats have stopped their efforts to defund the research. Likewise if we already had missle defense but kept the treaty, we would have been prevented from deploying the defense system.

Again I ask you: Is ending a treaty that harmed threatened our national security a conservative action?
Isn't building a missle defense to protect our nation the conservative thing to do?

7. Did cut taxes

Whoop de do!! And you basically had to claim it on this years taxes as income to be taxed. That's a tax cut?

Perhaps you should get a new tax preparer. The fact is that the tax rate was cut. And as time goes on more cuts will happen. Again Is cutting taxes conservative?

8. Did nominate a lot of conservative judges.

That's a maybe but the only way to get these judges up to the floor is to elect a bunch of RINOs like Giddy Dolt, who will probably disagree with them, meaning Bush will have to go back and get more centrist judges

Again in order to avoid giving Bush credit for doing something good, you create another problem to complain about. Is nominating Conservative judges something a conservative would do?

By the way, Pickering would have been confirmed in the democraticly controled senate, if he had gotten out of committee. If we had one more senator even a rino, then the repubs would control the committee and pass these guys along for a senate vote. Where many of them would be confirmed. But this does not have anything to do with Bush.

9. Did express support for Taiwan - really PO'd the Chicoms.

Wow, step back!! Expressed support, did he? Making a speech and some promises ten years down the line is a little weak compared to what X42 did to this nation for eight years.

Again I have to remind you of the question that YOU posed. Did Bush do anything that resembles conservative thought? I guess that you don't think taking a public stand in defense of Taiwan's independence is a conservative position. Otherwise Bush did something conservative. (Bush has done other things to strengthen out relationship with Taiwan, but I am only refering to his speech that outraged the Commies.)

Frankly I have no idea what you mean by your response, and what it has to do with Bush's pro-Taiwan speech.

10. Did/has a more pro-Israel policy than clinton did.

Exactly how has he done that? By not condemning the Israelis outright? No, as usual, just another POTUS forcing a peace treaty on the Israelis that does nothing more than hurt the Israelis

Perhaps you need to reread my statement again. Bush is a lot more pro-Israel than Clinton. Under clinton our nation was becoming hostile to Israel. We were pressuring them to give most of the west bank and part of Jerusalem to a terrorist army. Under Bush we have recognized that Israel needs to defend themselves from terrorists, and we have stopped pushing Israel to give up a large percentage of its land to a gang of murderers.

Compassionate conservatism doesn't work for me

Does any conservatism work for you? If you expect someone to agree with you all the time, you will always be disappointed. We could make a list of liberal things that Reagan did, if we wanted. It wouldn't change the fact that Reagan advanced the conservative agenda. While it too soon to tell, it is quite possible that Bush will end up advancing the conservative agenda just like Reagan.

By the way, I could add to my list how Bush has withdrawn us from the internation criminal court, how his justice dept now recognizes that the 2nd admendment is an individual right, how Bush tried to increase oil production in this country. I am watching the news right now. Bush is talking about improving welfare reform.

It's ok to comdemn Bush when he is wrong, but let's be objective enough to give him the credit when he is right.

537 posted on 06/03/2002 4:11:21 PM PDT by Sci Fi Guy
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To: billbears
"Exactly how has he done that? By not condemning the Israelis outright? No, as usual, just another POTUS forcing a peace treaty on the Israelis that does nothing more than hurt the Israelis. Compassionate conservatism doesn't work for me

...me neither buddie. You are right on about bush. he has betrayed his base with this, along with several other other "semi-betrayals."

It's a lot like how Clinton dodged by saying he was "not having SEX with that woman." Denying the subtle betrayals daily coming from the "pseudo conservative Bush party" requires that bushbot conservatives twist reality by redefining the narrowist possible terms, the meaning of the word "betray."

Bushbot Conservatives have taken to parsing "betrayal" in very narrow terms, so they won't have to admit our boy sold us out, to some degree on every agreement and decision he has made. There is not one PURE and CLEAR embracement he has made that FULLY repudiates in entirety the liberal "a prioris" we all despise.

WE are way past the point where "consensus building" has become "idealogical compromise."

It calls to question a whole plethora of recent accusations we have been hearing... Did Bush/Ashcroft KNOW that 9-11 was actually going to occur and did NOTHING about it, though they could have?

Six months ago I rejected all this stuff as outright slander... now, I am beginning to wonder. Who stands to gain by compromise and lying about what was known and when?

Just look at the popularity he is enjoying... and the soccermommies who are so hot for him...

It makes me sick to think, but things are really not good are they? These kind of discussions and REALITIES would NOT even exist, if things were right and good in our nation.

The darkest of times may lie ahead. Bush is not, what he appeared to be. It appears once again, that apples do not fall far, from the tree.

562 posted on 06/03/2002 4:37:23 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2
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To: billbears
"Whoop de do!! And you basically had to claim it on this years taxes as income to be taxed. That's a tax cut?" Not true and the IRS did a press conference to clear this little myth up.
612 posted on 06/03/2002 5:34:15 PM PDT by rwfromkansas
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