Some people don't want to discuss the merits of any given issue or agree that there are some issues on which reasonable people can disagree. They simply want to call those they disagree with names and impugn their integrity and their motives.
CaptBlack, I do not happen to agree with some of your concerns regarding our President. But I would never consider you a whiner or disloyal.
I do have a problem, however, when, in my view, criticism of a good man (Bush) is not well thought-out or justified by the facts and that view can't be raised without being labeled a goosestepper.
i tried to make this point several times last night. yes, reasonable people CAN and do disagree. they can even see reality/facts differently. i can be influenced/persuaded with good logical argument. that is why i see no point in debating someone who resorts to personal attacks.