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To: Freedom'sWorthIt
In the secret places he murders the innocent; His eyes are secretly fixed on the helpless. 9He lies in wait secretly, as a lion in his den;

Pretty heavy duty stuff in this Psalm. In his sermon today our pastor said that good Christians listen to Christ then act accordingly, and passivity isn't acceptable. Not a revolutionary thought, but then he took it a step further and said Christ would tell us all human life is precious and worthy of redemption. Still nothing new there until he took it to the next step and said Jesus expects us to love the terrorists because like us, they are created in God's image, and asked how many of us are willing to do that. If we follow Christ, we should listen and act on Christ's words concerning our enemies. You could hear a pin drop and this gave me much to think about today. It was the old "love the sinner, hate the sin" type sermon. I am not ready to go there, and not ready to forgive. I am going to have to work on this a lot and I don't want to. Big sigh!

300 posted on 06/02/2002 12:49:24 PM PDT by McLynnan
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To: McLynnan
If we follow Christ, we should listen and act on Christ's words concerning our enemies. You could hear a pin drop and this gave me much to think about today. It was the old "love the sinner, hate the sin" type sermon. I am not ready to go there, and not ready to forgive. I am going to have to work on this a lot and I don't want to. Big sigh!

In those instances, McLynnan, maybe we just have to ask God to love those people THROUGH us until we can get to the point where we can freely love them ourselves. There a lot of folks I don't particularly like, or approve of what they do, but I love them as I love any of God's creatures. We don't have to ACCEPT the terrorists or LIKE the terrorists, we just have to understand that God created them and loves them though THEY MAY HAVE TURNED AWAY FROM HIM! At some point, they will have turned away so far that they cannot get back and they will be forever separated from God, and that pains Him. But that's the price of a free will. By our actions, we can turn that will toward Him or away, it is our decision. Just because God loves the terrorists, and we are supposed to love them as fellow children of God, doesn't absolve them of responsibility for their actions, and it does not keep us from doing what we have to do to stop them from hurting more innocent people.

313 posted on 06/02/2002 6:04:00 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: McLynnan
Understand where you are coming from re: loving the sinner and hating the sin esp w. regard to the terrorists. What I can do is commit them to God for His judgement - and that is much more terrible than anything we could do to them. But, then, there is personal forgiveness which every Christian can and must learn to do. But that is totally different from the justice which must be carried out by governments if there is to be justice at all in the world. That justice should be administered based on God's truth and on swift and sure punishment for crimes. In a case of War, basically, it is kill or be killed - as bad as that sounds. That's hard to say - but we can still want justice for these doers of evil while at the same time being able to (maybe one day) forgive them. I don't know if I can ever do that either. And the same for the Clinton Crime machine. I tend to have an even worse time forgiving them since they have almost destroyed our country.
381 posted on 06/02/2002 7:03:42 PM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt
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