Bush Extremely Strong With Base (06/01/2002)

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[Howlin]

I'll share this "oldie but goodie" with you:

To: All

In the past year, the following "I won't vote for Bush if..." threads have been posted

"Bush to cave on Kyoto"

"Bush to cave on 2nd amendment rights"

"Bush to cave on tax reduction"

"Bush to cave on stem cell research"

"Bush to cave social security"

"Bush to cave ON and On and ON"

In every one of those examples Bush fought and got 90% of his demands met in Congress or in the case of Kyoto and UN funding for abortion acted on his and told the UN to go to hell. That is never enough, there is always the next "watershed decision" that many here dream up to avoid supporting a Republican and, make NO mistake it is the hated Republican that sticks in the craw of many here, that term is more hated by the libertarians, paleo-conservatives and assorted DU trolls than the term liberal has ever been subjected to.

It seems that every day there is a new "I won't support Bush if..." thread that generates a lot of outrage and yet when the actual "event" happens there is never a thread that retracts the hysteria exhibited earlier. There is NO way a politician will ever appease the single issue voter. Just as his steel tariffs have pissed off the free traders amongst us, it is what the " Buchanan America firsters" have been demanding and yet the AF faction on this site do not even acknowledge that Bush heard them, to the contrary, they whine it is too little too late.

Instead of all this whining and crocodile tears, just admit right out loud that nothing this man does will suffice and that he needs to be replaced with the best "conservative" candidate. However; the name of that candidate appears to be a closely guarded secret since no one has actually named this person because it surely cannot be anyone of the 1% vote getters that we know today.

End of rant

114 posted on 3/7/02 9:51 PM Eastern by Texasforever

[concerned about politics]

I asked a simple question: is the ONLY place you can pray on government property? Is that some kind of rule in your religion?

No, but we should be free to do so without repercussion. If you don't like it, move on. It's simple.
This new age "Separation of Church and State" garbage is my MAIN concern. A REALLY big issue for us all. It has to be corrected, yet no politician speaks for us. Should we vote for anyone just to please others? Or just let it ride?

[Texasforever]

You card carrying RNC types just can't quite grasp that our reckless immigration policies are putting in jeopardy much of the things we conservatives cherish...gun rights, low taxes, small government. It's straightforward math. I would have thought that the results of the last few elections would have driven home some realities by now.

So you are another one with all the problems and no solutions. I guess it is really fun just to snipe from the cheap seats. BTW the terms "Bushbot", "Bush loyaltast", "Card carrying RNC types" epithets bounce right off my hard head.

[Howlin]

I don't support Bush, on the whole, and never did. I didn't vote for him last election and wouldn't vote for him now.

Why didn't you say that in the beginning. You have no vote to give or take; you're totally irrelevant to this discussion.

[Southflanknorthpawsis]

Purists will NEVER be satisfied. Their whole life is spent awaiting perfection. Since it cannot and will not happen (until Christ returns) they are guaranteed a stage on which to play out their chosen roles.

Have you ever thought what these people would if their candidate of choice actually got elected? They would have nothing to talk about. Happiness is a foreign word to them and they would either self-destruct or begin to find fault with their pick.

Heaven forbid that anyone do a single thing that isn't 100% what they wanted. Sooner or later, their hero would let them down and the process would start all over again. AND.......they would comfortably crawl back into their angry, disgruntled state. That's exactly where they want to be.

[habs4ever]

Those swing voters have come to like and trust Bush, actually.Apprehensive in 2000, but relieved he is the POTUS and not Gore.But why all the fuss anyway?It's still along ways off from 2004, and that's a lot of time to be stewing and moaning.I can't fathom why so many here on FR want to get such a headstart on the 2004 race ;that's what disgruntled Dems do, obsess over politics all day long.Plus, when a War is on, it makes each and every peeve just appear that much more trivial, even passionately held beliefs.Bigger fish to fry than the cause du jour.

[Howlin]

No, but we should be free to do so without repercussion. If you don't like it, move on.

Well, I'll put you down as "wanting to be able to do whatever I want to whenever I want to without repercussion."

Just remember: if YOU get to do whatever you want, so will everybody else.

So, tell me, how are you going to feel when two guys have sex in front of your kids at the library?

[Southflanknorthpawsis]

would = would do

[Sabertooth]

First where do you get off with "Bush loyalists". Is that not as bad as "we can win without you?"

Would you not call yourself a Bush Loyalist? Where's the offense?

The fact of the matter is that most of the "lost my vote crowd" never gave it in the first place. Bush was the best candidate running. Don't give me the money thing either. There were 9 GOP candidates in the primaries, EVERYONE were included in the 12 debates. Every one of them had an even chance to sell their message and the ONLY one that even came close was McCain. As to the 1 per centers it was the quadrennial parade of the same old faces with "messages" getting more bizarre as time went on.

Can't speak for anyone else, but I voted for Dubya in the primary and the general on 2000. And my vote is his to lose in 2004.

If you have a better idea of how to advance the conservative cause then PLEASE lay it out. Burning down the village to save it is NOT even an option.

We could start by advancing it and putting the opposition on their heels. Too often, and Bush is by no means the sole GOP offender, we play prevent defense even when we control the ball.

[deport]

I see nobody has been able to post the conflicting data yet...

LOL..... Well I didn't really expect to see it but just thought I'd ask as that was part of the thread topic. As it is the thread has now drifted off into all other areas from immigration, cfr, religion, he's lost my vote, etc.....

Oh the data that hasn't been refuted.....

Bush's job approval rating among Republicans is in the low 90s and a bit higher among strong Republicans, according to an Ipsos-Reid poll and others. ...

bye bye

[Tuor]

You have no vote to give or take; you're totally irrelevant to this discussion.

I certainly have a vote to give. I *would* vote for him if he were to support and defend the Constitution, which he is supposed to do. I don't have anything against him *personally*, but some of his policies are just bunk: CFR, Farm Bill, amnesty for illegals, et al.

Unlike liberals, I *could* be convinced to vote for a Conservative. Bush isn't going to win reelection merely by appealing to his original base, especially if he starts losing some of them.

Tuor

[Texasforever]

From Ronald Reagan to you

"When I began entering into the give and take of legislative bargaining in Sacramento, a lot of the most radical conservatives who had supported me during the election didn't like it. "Compromise" was a dirty word to them and they wouldn't face the fact that we couldn't get all of what we wanted today. They wanted all or nothing and they wanted it all at once. If you don't get it all, some said, don't take anything.
"I'd learned while negotiating union contracts that you seldom got everything you asked for. And I agreed with FDR, who said in 1933: 'I have no expectations of making a hit every time I come to bat. What I seek is the highest possible batting average.'
"If you got seventy-five or eighty percent of what you were asking for, I say, you take it and fight for the rest later, and that's what I told these radical conservatives who never got used to it."

Ronald Reagan, from his autobiography, An American Life

[concerned about politics]

Heaven forbid that anyone do a single thing that isn't 100% what they wanted. Sooner or later, their hero would let them down and the process would start all over again. AND.......they would comfortably crawl back into their angry, disgruntled state. That's exactly where they want to be.

And if we don't regain the Senate, or Bush loses, what will you do? If you don't get what you want? Will you cheer anyway?

A really good rightous man who holds to the faith and doesn't try to decieve is a joy to be around. I wouldn't complain. I'd be thankful for him. He would be a national blessing.

[Howlin]

We are discussing his base; you are not part of it. You are plain and simple "FOR SALE."

[WIMom]

Hope you don't mind...:)

Those dirty Republicrats Just for the moment let’s accept that the various 3rd parties main goal is smaller government and the reason they hate the GOP is that the Republicans are no different than the Democrats regarding the size and scope of the Federal Government. Starting from that premise let’s review the reality of the last 10 years staring with the first Clinton term in which democrats held both the executive and legislative branches of the government.

First out of the bag was Clinton’s demand that Gays be allowed to openly serve in the military. It was the Republicans, in the minority, that stopped that fiasco dead in it’s tracks.

Next came Hillary Care. The largest expansion of Government since the New Deal. Once again the Minority Republicans aborted this monstrosity. Do they get credit from the 3rd parties? I think the answer is obvious.

Once the American people saw the consequences of having total control of the Government by the liberals they gave both Houses to the Republicans. To hear 3rd parties tell it the Republicans took this golden opportunity and just sat on their thumbs , or worse yet acted more like Democrats than Democrats. But once again you need to look at the reality

First there was that little thing called the “Contract with America”. Do any 3rd parties ever mention that? It consisted of 10 items 8 of which were pushed through congress over the steady howls of the Media and Democrats. The most important of those 8 items were the “End of Welfare Entitlement”, and the “balanced Budget requirement”.P> The ending of welfare was the greatest reduction of domestic spending in history. Does that not count for advocating smaller government and doing something about it? I guess not to a 3rd parties.
The Balanced Budget requirement led directly to the surpluses we have now and hopefully in the future given the economic expansion since the mild recession in 1992 and the now extinct 2001 recession..
Then the democrats made somewhat of a comeback in 1996 and Clinton decided to flex his muscles a little by another little gem the “patients bill of rights”. It was not the democrats that stopped it was once again those “Republicrats” as the 3rd parties like to call them..
But the “Columbine Massacre” gave the democrats and Clinton another opening on gun control. An entire flurry of draconian gun control bills were put forward in the congress and once again it was Republicans that stood up and took the “bullet” from the soccer moms and the media and made sure those bills never passed out of committee. But I guess 3rd parties can’t believe a Republicrat could ever stand with the Constitution.

As to the Republican “cowardice in pursuing Bill Clinton the CROOK. I guess the 3rd parties forget a little thing called IMPEACHMENT! Yes a few Republican Senators did not do their duty, but 90% of them did, I am sure you can find 10% of “3rd parties” that would have voted not to remove also.

3rd parties take an almost perverted pleasure in pointing out to Republicans that they have been duped. I would have to say that 3rd parties are the ones being duped by their perpetual candidate. He knows he will never be elected but if every Brigadier gives him just one dollar a year to write his angry rants and pretend to campaign once every 4 years, that five hundred grand a year makes a pretty comfortable lifestyle. Pat Buchanan caught on to this very quickly.

Now we are 14 months into the first term of a Republican president in an election the likes of which we have never seen before and according to all the “experts“ installed the first 1st term lame duck with NO political power at all. In his first week in office, Bush nullified 6 Clinton Executive orders and put all of them on indefinite hold.
In the first two months he told the EU to go to blazes on the Kyoto accords that would have raised the cost of doing business a minimum of 20% for every company in the United States which in turn would have been passed directly to each and every one of us in the form of price increases on every item we purchase. He then itold the senate that he would NOT sign the ridiculous “ergonomics“ regulations that would have added another 10% cost of doing business and resultant pass through to us
He then pulled funding from the UN in programs that pushed abortion. He told the UN to go to blazes on their little “conference on racism” that was nothing more than a bash Israel orgy.
He then started pushing for his tax cut, and once again, the “experts” including many on this sites, started snickering. He would never get it done, but step by step he, GASP, won over enough democrats to get the EXACT tax cut he promised

Once John Ashcroft survived his Senate confirmation hearings his first action was to completely reverse the Reno DOJ stance on the 2nd ammendment from encompassing only the militia (National Guard) to the individual right to bear arms of all law abiding citizens.

He then started pushing for military budget increases. He was not asking for massive new weapons systems, just the funding to at least change the spark-plugs in the Humvees and to try to give our military men and women a raise that would allow them to someday fight a war without being on food stamps. Once again, the “experts” scoffed. We are at PEACE they sneered let’s enjoy the “PEACE DIVIDEND”.
Then came Sept. 11 2001, 9 months into this man’s first year of his first term. The United States of America was delivered the most stunning wake-up call in our history and all eyes turned to this “lame duck” president. The yokel from Texas. For just a brief moment the “experts” were left speechless but not Bush. What would he do? He told us quickly that he would not send a 3 million dollar missile to hit a camel in the butt. That one little Texas bit of humor cloaked a final message to the world. There is going to be hell to pay, and we are seeing the results in real time.

Now the “experts” , feeling secure again, have found their voices and it is business as usual. The left, scared to death, that 80% of this country is approving of this “boob” even when they have so very patiently tried to tell them they should not are in full throat.. Those on the right that hold themselves out to be the arbiter of all things “conservative” are once again ready to bring down this “CINO” and are completely willing to pull just enough support away to get a democrat elected in 2004. While you 3rd parties are beating up on the GOP for being Repulicrats, stop and think just exactly what would have happened in just the last 10 years had they not been there to stop the real enemy. Then stop and ask yourselves where have you been? What have you done in the last 14 months? Where are the tax cuts that you are responsible for? Where are Federal Government regulations that you have repealed? Where are the actions you have taken since 911 to make a constructive contribution to the war effort? Where have you been?

243 posted on 5/29/02 9:42 PM Central by Texasforever
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[PhiKapMom]

My kids are not offended by someone else's religion -- they have been taught to be tolerant. BTW, I am a Christian!

[Texasforever]

Would you not call yourself a Bush Loyalist? Where's the offense?

I am no ones "loyalist"

[Howlin]

A really good rightous man who holds to the faith and doesn't try to decieve is a joy to be around. I wouldn't complain. I'd be thankful for him. He would be a national blessing.

And just who would that be?

[3D-JOY]

How does a nice thread about Bush's Base and support become another religious tirade.

I am so sick of it that I can barely find anything left on FR to enjoy!

Would it do any good to tell people to stick to the subject?

[Howlin]

Yoohoo! I see another Bush Bot has showed up!