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1 posted on 05/31/2002 5:15:12 PM PDT by vannrox
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. Dror advocates Israeli-style security clearances for all workers at the companies for whom he consults. They entail checking a person's history by interviewing acquaintances and family "We check the man himself, not documents."

WHEN ARE WE GOING TO WAKE UP??? Hopefully, we are seeing the beginning of the end of the PC crowd. I only hope it doesn't take another attack and loss of American lives before it's banished for good.

2 posted on 05/31/2002 5:25:33 PM PDT by Elkiejg
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Terrorist

Not a terrorist

Any Questions?


4 posted on 05/31/2002 5:44:54 PM PDT by Redcloak
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This article is SO VERY important, and expresses precisely what has been on my mind as I travel internationally as well as in the US and compare these differences everytime I go through the pathetic security hoop!! We are, by and large, "keystone cop" in our airport security approach.

This article needs to be read far and wide, and needs to be distributed if need-be to irate/critical fellow travelers at airports while in line or on aircraft whom are beginning to publicly, yet under their breath, voice disgust with the whole sordid approach.

I for one have just about had it with the most recent idiotic incident I was witness to, that of an 80- year-old frail, partially handicapped Chinese woman at a US airport being humiliated, having her shoes taken off, and being barked at in military order style by some gum chewing, overweight black "security" woman from those incompetent indirect murderers, The Argenbright Company.

America's way to do things is NOT always the best in ALL cases; but our naive, nationalcentric, jingo culture may well prevent us from ever correcting the situation, or at least taking note of the importance of news articles like these. That is, until (as noted) we have another US aircraft hijacked in the country by an individual or individuals that would have otherwise been screened out by Israeli-type questioning/profiling, or otherwise not let into the country were it not for the shameless behavior of some dimwit, high school education affirmative-action INS bureaucrat.

Shame on our country. We have it coming again, sad to say. Will we ever wake up and learn from mistakes?

[Log and save article for additional reading after our next disastrous "September 11."]

6 posted on 05/31/2002 5:51:54 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo
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Jeez I can't believe it's really gotten this bad. I had the mistaken hope that security would actually improve.

Is this a stage, or is something terrible going to happen before a move to serious security is made?

7 posted on 05/31/2002 6:01:08 PM PDT by Principled
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"The difference between the Israeli and American systems is that we are looking for the terrorist, while the Americans look for the weapons," he adds.

I am reminded of all the gun-control nuts who devote their lives to a crusade against guns, but never seem all that concerned with catching or locking up criminals.

8 posted on 05/31/2002 6:27:08 PM PDT by Dan Day
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Some foreign insights to our airport security here.
9 posted on 05/31/2002 6:36:14 PM PDT by Shermy
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The FBI pamphlet I saw says that anyone who refers to our Constitution frenquently is considered a terrorist.

Welcome to prewar Germany, I mean America........

11 posted on 05/31/2002 7:04:33 PM PDT by Eustace
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Great post, will forward to EVERYONE nationwide... thanks.
17 posted on 06/01/2002 12:22:24 AM PDT by Terridan
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America has targeted indirect tactics as a strategy for so long that we now confuse the direct enemy as only having indirect influence.

We confuse a gun for an enemy, while we consider the murderer simply as an extension of the gun.

We confuse a political agenda as an enemy, while we consider terrorists merely extensions of foreign agendas.

The Terrorists and murderers are the Direct Threat. They are building themselves into institutions bred within American society which chooses to aloofly remain unarmed an unalarmed. Even when a first wave is destroyed, even a self-chosen destruction implicit in suicide terror, the institutions will continue to flow more terror.

Which is more evil, the suicide bombers or the institutions melded into our social fabric which obscure their organization?

Consider the following predicament. 4-6 men of Middle eastern origin, exhibiting cultural patterns of new immigrant or visa status, flash money and buy land adjacent to US military bases, exhibiting fervid desire for a particular area where little competition exists. When reported to authorities, generally younger officers and intelligence networks, the report is met with mediocre acceptance. An attitude prevails in which the issue is immaterial because no crime is committed and even discussing the issue implies one must be either a bigot or needs to 'get over it'.

Now compare this rather common current sentiment with what one feels when they study about the attack on Pearl Harbor. Do most Americans today sincerely believe the radar operators and chain of command at lower echelons in Hawaii, that fateful day in Dec, 1941, were sincerely acting appropriately and justifiably so, when no alert was passed to the Fleet prior to the attack on Pearl Harbor?

There seems to be a tremendous irony here contradicting all common sense.

We need to continue to quantify and qualify the threat. We need to see more reporting from the government to the people as to the identity of the threat. Let the people decide how to lead events to protect ourselves. Too many people in positions of leadership simply have fallen to a lust of control rather than serving the public. They act with good intentions, but are creating an environment which actually promotes the flavor of terror without realizing their actions are encouraging the trend.

18 posted on 06/01/2002 3:17:50 AM PDT by Cvengr
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We can all help identify these folks driving on the highway.

Their training manual tells them not to break the law so as to avoid the attention of the police.

Therefore, any 18 wheeler doing 55mph has got to be one of them. Going uphill does not count.

On a serious note, though, I really hate the word "terrorist." They are thugs, punks, boy bitches, murderers, and a lot of other things, but none of them cause me to loose a second of sleep. My daughters still travel the world. One's job takes her to the Carribean, South America, South E. Asia, and Africa. They too are unafraid. There are, after all, worse things than death. Life afraid of your own shadow springs to mind.

Our airport non security was recently best exemplified by the ever sharp, affirmative action hired, non American, high school drop out screener who recently did not allow one of our soldiers ~ home on medical leave, his jaw wired together from a face wound in Afghan ~ because he had wire snips in case he began to choke.

Someone should have choked the screener.

19 posted on 06/01/2002 3:39:52 AM PDT by coalminer
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They met withDC's BEST, Charles Ramsey! Egads! Run, Isaelis.....as fast as you can.
22 posted on 06/01/2002 4:43:36 AM PDT by Ann Archy
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Terrorists want to control others. So I'd check the voter registration cards. All Republicans, Constituionalists, and Libetarians would get a pass.

The remaining folks would be a mix of Hollywood movie stars, gullible folks, and terrorists.

Then I'd offer free ice creme to the remainder and narrow it down to Hollywood movie stars and terrorists.

Wahl-lah !!!

24 posted on 06/01/2002 4:55:15 AM PDT by The Raven
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At the heart of the Israeli system is the questioning of the passenger, which Dror says is done not only to get answers, but also to gauge the passenger's behavior.

When I was in Frankfurt, Germany, two years ago, I received this treatment going through security. The screener held my passport and began asking me questions regarding my trip. He held the passport opened and occassional glanced at it, but most of the time he just looked me directly in the eye. Do you know how uncomfortable that is? Germany takes airport security very seriously!

26 posted on 06/01/2002 5:15:48 AM PDT by unbiasedtruth
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"The United States does not have a security system, it has a system for bothering people,"

Yep.

27 posted on 06/01/2002 5:32:38 AM PDT by csvset
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Put actor James Woods in charge...he did a better job than the entire US intelligence and security community.
28 posted on 06/01/2002 5:44:45 AM PDT by xp38
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"The difference between the Israeli and American systems is...the CLU
29 posted on 06/01/2002 5:53:19 AM PDT by ivanhoe116
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Israeli specialists have a low regard for American security searches... "The United States does not have a security system, it has a system for bothering people," Dror says.

This needs repeating over and over again!

36 posted on 06/01/2002 7:51:18 AM PDT by Gritty
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"At the heart of the Israeli system is the questioning of the passenger, which Dror says is done not only to get answers, but also to gauge the passenger's behavior. "The reason we open the suitcase is to have another few minutes with the passenger, to ask some more questions," he says."

U.S. Customs has been using this technique for decades. It was a big part of my training when I worked Military Customs in Rota, Spain. What a comedy of errors that one end of the terminal is profiling people (for contraband) getting off the plane, while the other side is letting those who should be profiled (for attempting murder) get on the plane.

45 posted on 06/01/2002 1:11:47 PM PDT by A Navy Vet
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I have a sense that without wide bi-partisan support from national leadership and all three branches of the government, profiling would be impossible to implement given today's socio-political climate. In other words, protesters would have to be shouted down, shamed into silence. What are the chances of seeing that? Look at the recent tempest in a teacup created when some clothing firm dared to produce T-shirts saying something like "Two Wongs Will Make it White!" A national scandal it was for a week or so!

I think that these days we Americans would rather die than to appear unfair. Unfair, yes that's the word. We have an exaggerated sense of fairness and believe that perfect fairness and perfect justice are achieveable in this world. Better 100 murderers go free than one wrongly accused man be imprisoned, we say?! (Well, talk to one Gerald Amirault about that piece of national wisdom.)

46 posted on 06/01/2002 1:22:42 PM PDT by Revolting cat!
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To: vannrox; psyops; Colorado Tanker; Libertina; pissed off janitor; happygrl;Dennisw;sjackson...
I'm so ashamed its been this long before we went to our Israeli Allies for help on Wascally Wahhabi spotting...I know the weather is nice and by all means sniff the flowers my Freepers, but take a moment and digest this...I was so dismayed by an article in the Seattle times about 5 years ago that an FBI agent described all attendees at a Survival Exposition at the Seattle Center as Terrorists...He even said he feared the one table there that was selling blowguns. Nobody mentioned all the home canning tables and Seed packets and Flour grinders and flashlights and first aid kits...Everybody that attended was a TERRORIST... I wrote the agent...Would have been glad to talk to him face to face, My feelings were hurt! People that don't trust aspects of our government are not TERRORISTS...People who build bombs and plot to attack government buildings are terrorists...People that want to home school and keep a gun on the premises are NOT terrorists...end of rant...Freep this thread, please...Double Ping, Important message! Have a Great Weekend, people!


48 posted on 06/01/2002 2:12:55 PM PDT by sleavelessinseattle
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