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Senate rejects tax increase on cigarettes (Michigan)
Detroit News ^ | 5-31-02 | Mark Hornbeck

Posted on 05/31/2002 8:51:29 AM PDT by Dan from Michigan

Edited on 05/07/2004 7:08:52 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

LANSING -- The state Senate overwhelmingly rejected a proposal to raise the cigarette tax Thursday, hours after Gov. John Engler threw his clout behind it.

The 29-8 vote against a 25-cents per pack tobacco tax increase means Engler and lawmakers will have to scramble next week to find other ways to balance the state budget.


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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: cigarettes; taxes; tobacco
Thank you Garcia(my senator).
1 posted on 05/31/2002 8:51:30 AM PDT by Dan from Michigan
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To: Dan from Michigan;Just another Joe; Gabz; Great Dane; Max McGarrity; JohnHuang2 ...
Lawmakers with some sense!

The 29-8 vote against a 25-cents per pack tobacco tax increase means Engler and lawmakers will have to scramble next week to find other ways to balance the state budget.

People who choose to smoke are damned tired of carrying the whole state. Its about time someone woke up to this. The anti's keep telling us that only the poor and uneducated smoke! Well, then, why highly tax those that can barely afford it!

Democrats voted "no," saying it's a levy on those least able to afford it. Many preferred delaying rollbacks in the state income and business taxes, which would pump more than $200 million into the budget.

DEMOCRATS? Go figure! You mean our "own kind" are turning against us?

Tobacco lobbyists who have been fighting the trend across the country say it's unfair to single out smokers to bolster dwindling budgets. And local store owners say additional taxes hurt their sales.

All across the US the lawmakers are raising cigarette taxes sky-high to balance their budgets. We are TIRED of carrying the states! TAX Alcohol! Tax ANYthing. But leave us alone!

All smokers want is for Big Government to butt out of our lives. What smokers want is for Big Government to stop the bans, the restrictions and the huge taxes imposed upon us.

Tobacco is LEGAL!

2 posted on 05/31/2002 9:03:48 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: Dan from Michigan
"The right approach to this budget problem is cutting spending," said Sen. Valde Garcia, R-St. Johns

OMG!!! Can I get this guy to represent me too? Such profound logic is truly rare among our elected 'representitives'.

3 posted on 05/31/2002 9:04:37 AM PDT by visagoth
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To: Dan from Michigan
Ya know on another thread a guy is complaining that he is being ignored when reporting suspicious activity of middle-eastern looking men. Why not just call and report them smoking?
4 posted on 05/31/2002 9:06:20 AM PDT by Republicus2001
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To: Republicus2001
There you go! Concerned and outraged citizens - run post haste to stamp out the dreaded weed from the swarthy men.
5 posted on 05/31/2002 9:11:16 AM PDT by 3catsanadog
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To: visagoth
No you can't. We need him here. :)

He's also pro-2a and someone I consider a friend.

6 posted on 05/31/2002 9:23:03 AM PDT by Dan from Michigan
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To: visagoth
BTW - You might very well see him in Congress someday if Mike Rogers runs statewide.
7 posted on 05/31/2002 9:25:36 AM PDT by Dan from Michigan
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To: Dan from Michigan
TENNESSEE TEA PARTY BUMP!
8 posted on 05/31/2002 9:39:04 AM PDT by GailA
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To: Dan from Michigan
The states that don't follow the trend and increase the tobbacco tax will gain more revenue.
9 posted on 05/31/2002 9:48:53 AM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: Dan from Michigan
Senate rejects tax increase on cigarettes

Yikes! Is that even legal? I mean, doesn't Michigan have some sort of enlightened constitutional provision that all spending sprees that result is a revenue shortfall must be addressed by hikes in tobacco and alcohol taxes? My God, the shame you must feel.

10 posted on 05/31/2002 10:01:38 AM PDT by laredo44
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To: laredo44
Although I may get in trouble for saying this, it's great to see Valde stand up to Engler.

Engler's first two terms were good. In fact, the first person I voted for was Engler. But I do not recognize the John Engler in their now. He's not the same anti-tax warrior he was in 1993.

11 posted on 05/31/2002 10:13:21 AM PDT by Dan from Michigan
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To: Dan from Michigan
"The right approach to this budget problem is cutting spending,"

Will Wonders Never Cease? Oh my gosh,I really can't believe an elected official actualy said this out loud.I'm so glad to see this happening.(at least in Michigan)God knows,no elected official in Calif. has the gumption to state such a fact!

12 posted on 05/31/2002 10:18:20 AM PDT by Pagey
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To: VRWC_minion
The states that don't follow the trend and increase the tobbacco tax will gain more revenue.

Not for long.

13 posted on 05/31/2002 10:20:18 AM PDT by Just another Joe
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To: Dan from Michigan
Engler's first two terms were good. In fact, the first person I voted for was Engler. But I do not recognize the John Engler in their now. He's not the same anti-tax warrior he was in 1993.

This is why term limits have such appeal. New office holders arrive with the desires of their constituients fresh in their minds. Then, day after day, hearing after hearing, all they hear is from those that want something. Opponents to spending don't have the time to debate every new initiative. Hearings are dominated by advocates 20-1, 50-1, 100-1. The cost-benefit ratio always favors those who want the money so they fight for it. So taxpayer becomes the frog in the slowly heating pot, oblivious as we slowly boil to death.

Then crap happens and they have to make a grab for more of your money. You say, "Wait a minute, I didn't budget for that. I've got all my income tied up in housing, food, insurance, transportation, clothing, etc."

They say, "Cut something, we need the cash."

You say, "You cut."

As far as I can tell, these guys never, ever ask themselves, "How are the folks at home going to come up with the extra dough."

All tax increases need super majority votes in a referundum. I'd support 65% to pass.

14 posted on 05/31/2002 12:19:11 PM PDT by laredo44
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To: laredo44
Along with a super majority for tax increases there should be a constitutional law that taxation cannot exceed 10% on anything. All this anti-smoking nonsense is a charade of higer taxes which in the end has only enriched the ambulance chasers and enabled funding of Big Government programs run by liberals.
15 posted on 05/31/2002 3:47:55 PM PDT by TransOxus
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