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NYC Police Free Suspicious Men Due to Alleged Lack of INS Cooperation
NY POST | 5-30-02 | Murray Weiss

Posted on 05/30/2002 9:11:57 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache

NYC Police Free Suspicious Men Due to Alleged Lack of INS Cooperation

AP Thursday, May 30, 2002

By Murray Weiss

NEW YORK — Frustrated police in New York City had to free a suspicious group of illegal Middle Eastern aliens because the Immigration and Naturalization Service "didn't want to be bothered" on the Memorial Day weekend.

Not knowing whether the men they had nabbed were the hard-working immigrants they claimed to be or a terror gang plotting to wreak havoc, the local authorities had to let them walk in the end.

The mystery men — some with phony IDs, and all admitted illegal immigrants — could have been held if agents from the INS had bothered to show up.

"What's the point of stopping vans and risking your life when the one agency with power blows you off?" one angry lawman said. "And this is after Sept. 11."

"It's frightening and disheartening," said another. "The agency that handles immigration didn't want to come down" — although every other law-enforcement agency did. "They didn't even want to be bothered."

The INS didn't seem to have anybody on duty in New York City. The agency's contact number for the weekend rang at an office in Burlington, Vt., more than 300 miles away.

"The [expletive] INS has one phone working Memorial Day weekend and it's in Vermont?" said another incredulous law-enforcement official.

An INS spokesman said Wednesday, "Since Sept. 11, our primary focus has been on terrorist-related investigations and, contrary to belief, we are not in the business of detaining people without cause. These men posed no terrorist threat or, for that matter, any threat to the community."

But the cops had no reason to think that when they confronted the men Friday.

The case began about 4 p.m., when Bridges and Tunnels officers from New York's Metropolitan Transportation Authority police stopped a battered van from entering the Brooklyn-Battery Tunnel, which links lower Manhattan and Brooklyn, from the Manhattan side.

The red-and-white 1990 cargo van had four Middle Eastern men jammed in front — one more than is legal.

The commercial vehicle also bore only an address, 1006 Coney Island Ave., stenciled on its side, and not a business name, as required by city law.

Officer Chris Lasalle opened the rear padlocked door and found three more men inside, a police report said.

The seven men, most of whom were from Pakistan, produced a variety of paperwork, including a phony government card obtained in Times Square, a bogus passport, an identification card from Virginia, and some New York state nondriver IDs.

They were taken to the officers' headquarters on the Brooklyn side of the tunnel, where detectives from the New York City Police Department Intelligence Division, the Joint Terrorist Task Force, the MTA, an assistant Brooklyn district attorney and interpreters had responded.

The suspects said they worked for a construction company, Gill Waterproofing and Roofing in Brooklyn, to which the van was registered.

At 6 p.m., the INS was called, but no agents responded. By 10 p.m. the Brooklyn district attorney's office, without INS intervention, had to release the four men who had what appeared to be legitimate IDs.

At midnight, detectives again called, but were referred to a toll-free INS number that connected them with the Vermont office, where a concerned supervisor took information and said a Manhattan supervisor would be notified by morning.

At 1 p.m., INS supervisor Frank Ciringione called, promising to provide instruction later, sources said.

When asked if he wanted to talk to the prosecutor handling the case, he indicated he didn't — unless he had to.

"They had a horrible attitude," one cop said of the INS.

Three hours later, Ciringione called back and told ADA Jacqueline Kagan to free the other suspects, saying "INS would follow up at a future date in our own way."

Ciringione declined to speak yesterday.


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KEYWORDS: 911; ins; islamicviolence; middleeasternmen; nyc; nypd
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To: Rita289
INS was the right agency to call. FBI doesn't have any detention centers. Where would they put them? There was no crime committed, so state police would not want to be involved. This was an INS situation.

Your right they should have called the INS, but after calling the INS and getting the response they got, they should have locked them up in a local jail.

That's what the INS does. The majority of INS detainees are in local jails.

41 posted on 05/31/2002 6:37:43 AM PDT by Marine Inspector
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To: Marine Inspector
They should have been locked up, but officers would need a "detainer" from INS before that could happen. True, some are detained are in local jails, but there are detention centers contracted by INS to keep the majority of detainees.
42 posted on 05/31/2002 7:32:21 AM PDT by Rita289
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To: Rita289
They should have been locked up, but officers would need a "detainer" from INS before that could happen. True, some are detained are in local jails, but there are detention centers contracted by INS to keep the majority of detainees.

A detainer talks 5 minutes to fill out, and there is a detention facility in New York City.

If the NYPD was as concerned as they say, they could have driven them to the detention facility in their city and handed them over to the Detention Enforcement Officers.

The INS was wrong in their decision to cut them loose, but so was the NYPD.

43 posted on 05/31/2002 8:04:55 AM PDT by Marine Inspector
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To: angkor
Oustanding! So not only did the INS (and NYPD, as Marine Inspector correctly points out) drop the ball, they are probably dropping the ball on a major immigration scam and other crimes being run out of that office.

First rule of bureucratic screw-ups: It's probably ten times worse than what makes it into the papers.

44 posted on 05/31/2002 9:06:16 AM PDT by eno_
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To: My Favorite Headache
Shoulda reported that they were smoking!
45 posted on 05/31/2002 9:06:59 AM PDT by Republicus2001
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To: My Favorite Headache
It just makes one wonder how many times this has happened in the past and never made the news.
46 posted on 05/31/2002 10:04:33 AM PDT by Woodstock
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To: Kenny Bunk
>Not a reason in the world the home-town cops couldn't have held them over the weekend.

Having a fake passport is still a crime.

47 posted on 05/31/2002 11:15:57 AM PDT by Dialup Llama
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To: My Favorite Headache
Doris Meissner, former INS head who persecuted Elian, is the cause of this. Find her. Jail her.
48 posted on 05/31/2002 11:21:56 AM PDT by pankot
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To: My Favorite Headache
Just fire these ins workers and let any local authority make up their own rules.Hel*,stick them illegals in work farms or have your way with them,I DON'T CARE!
49 posted on 05/31/2002 2:39:12 PM PDT by INSENSITIVE GUY
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To: My Favorite Headache
Well, in theory, as long as US security depends on the FBI and INS, we should all feel um...er...safe...RIGHT??
50 posted on 05/31/2002 6:46:40 PM PDT by F16Fighter
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To: My Favorite Headache
"What's the point of stopping vans and risking your life when the one agency with power blows you off?" one angry lawman said. "And this is after Sept. 11."

"What's the point in believing a source if the source doesn't even what to give their name" said one angry FreeRepublic poster -- FreeReign.

51 posted on 05/31/2002 8:33:12 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: My Favorite Headache
I am absolutely outraged that they referenced the ethnic or racial or religious designation of the people involved. We cannot do that. I have finally seen the light. Everyone is an equal threat, even the grandma in the wheel chair. A phony government card and bogus passport are not suspicious. Do you know how many causasian, black, hispanic, and Asian American citizens have those? The number is probably staggering.

We should not be vigilant. It is just not right.

52 posted on 05/31/2002 9:57:12 PM PDT by doug from upland
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To: all
The great America we once knew is in self-destuct mode . I pray that God comes soon and ends the whole bloody experiment .
53 posted on 06/01/2002 9:23:40 PM PDT by sushiman
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To: alamo-girl
"It's frightening and disheartening," said another. "The agency that handles immigration didn't want to come down" — although every other law-enforcement agency did. "They didn't even want to be bothered."

The INS didn't seem to have anybody on duty in New York City.
54 posted on 06/02/2002 7:47:46 PM PDT by vannrox
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To: Freedom4US
We did have a pretty good run of things, though -- couple hundred years, not too bad.

Our time is not up yet. I believe our best days are ahead. (At least I'm still hoping that's true.)

55 posted on 06/03/2002 1:30:17 PM PDT by texasbluebell
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To: doug from upland
Feinstein says racial profiling fears hinder FBI .
56 posted on 06/03/2002 1:33:00 PM PDT by aristeides
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