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MIKHAIL GORBACHEV: From the Presidium to the Presidio
kenraggio.com ^ | Ken Raggio

Posted on 05/30/2002 3:25:15 PM PDT by Ivan the Terrible

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1 posted on 05/30/2002 3:25:15 PM PDT by Ivan the Terrible
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To: Ivan the Terrible
It is good to know that dear departed Malachi knows less about the NWO than he does the Papal See.
2 posted on 05/30/2002 3:34:24 PM PDT by harrowup
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To: harrowup
make that knew less.
3 posted on 05/30/2002 3:36:30 PM PDT by harrowup
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To: harrowup
and also make that did
4 posted on 05/30/2002 3:37:21 PM PDT by harrowup
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To: Ivan the Terrible
Capstone = Rosebud (shhhhhh)
5 posted on 05/30/2002 4:33:47 PM PDT by elbucko
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To: Stavka2;AustinWillardWright
"The goal of socialism is communism." - V.I. Lenin

"The meaning of peace is the absence of the opposition to Socialism." -Karl Marx

"Gentlemen, Comrades, do not be concerned about all you hear about Glasnost and Perestroika and democracy in the coming years. These are primarily for outward consumption. There will be no significant internal changes in the Soviet Union, other than for cosmetic purposes. Our purpose is to disarm the Americans, and let them fall asleep." -Gorbachev (1987)

"More socialism means more democracy, openness and collectivism in everyday life." -Gorbachev (1988)

"Our vision of the European space from the Atlantic to the Urals in not that of a closed system. Since it includes the Soviet Union, which reaches to the shores of the Pacific, it goes beyond nominal geographical boundaries." -Gorbachev, Nobel Peace Prize Lecture, delivered in Oslo,(1992)

(Note that Gorbachev, who had been out of office for six months, referred to the Soviet Union, not Russia.)

"Former Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev said on Thursday the victims of the September 11 attacks in the United States will not have died in vain if world leaders use the crisis to create a new world order."


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6 posted on 05/30/2002 4:38:46 PM PDT by Orion78
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To: Ivan the Terrible
The new world order is stealing my tinfoil! HELP HELP!
8 posted on 05/30/2002 10:10:28 PM PDT by HassanBenSobar
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To: Orion78
Thanks for the information about Gorby but I am well aware of this. I have stated many times that Gorbachov's goal in "glasnost" was to save Communism in Russia. Unfortunately, for him, he was unsuccessful in this goal.
9 posted on 05/31/2002 6:43:37 AM PDT by Austin Willard Wright
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"The paramount global objective of the strategy of 'perestroika' is to weaken and neutralize anti-Communist ideology and the influence of anti-Communists in political life in the United States, Western Europe and elsewhere - presenting them as anachronistic survivors of the Cold War, reactionaries and obstacles to 'restructuring' and peace. Anyone who warns about Moscow's true objectives is automatically branded a 'Cold Warrior', even by people who have doubts about Moscow's motives."

Gorbachev's goal was to save Communism in Russia by convincing the world that Communism no longer existed.

10 posted on 06/10/2002 9:01:44 PM PDT by Orion78
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To: Ivan the Terrible
Did Fr. Martin ever disclose who he thought Capstone was? Did any ever figure it out independently?
11 posted on 06/10/2002 9:05:57 PM PDT by cicero's_son
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To: Austin Willard Wright
Russia jettisoning Cold War legacy (5/29/02)

The Russians can be Commies and our best friends at the same time. Oh wait, if forgot the Chinese to, but even sadder, they don't even hide that they are Communist. They don't have to, nobody seems to care.

12 posted on 06/10/2002 9:08:12 PM PDT by Orion78
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You're beating a dead horse. Haven't you heard the new enemy is world Islam? You're still pushing last year's model. Next year's model? Who knows?
13 posted on 06/11/2002 6:58:33 AM PDT by Austin Willard Wright
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To: Orion78
Well, you keep living in your make believe bunker world, and I'll keep living in reality....we'll see who dies disappointed, rambo. Here's an idea, why not just save us all the trouble and go ahead and take one of your many guns and go to Russia and start shooting...you'll get your fantasy of fighting Russians and we'll have one less conspiracy nut...if not that, I heard Al Quida and the Chechins are hiring.
14 posted on 06/11/2002 1:52:33 PM PDT by Stavka2
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To: Ivan the Terrible
Malachi Martin states, "It is my opinion,

And in my opinion the moon is made of green cheese, but that doesn't necessarly make so, now does that?

15 posted on 06/11/2002 1:54:53 PM PDT by Stavka2
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You are one of the few people on this thread that understands this. Of course he was trying to save communism, he fully believes in it as an ideologist. Point is, not only did he not save it, he sped along its death throws. Problem is, half the bunker nuts around here can't figure out that it's dead and are waiting for the Shadow Politburo to take over.
16 posted on 06/11/2002 1:57:23 PM PDT by Stavka2
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Yup, all communist states have 13% flat taxes, 24% flat corporate taxes, the right to vote, self defense, own realistate and conduct business...whoops, but once again, I'm beating a dead horse with you...you'll just put your fingers in your ears and make loud noises so you don't have to face reality. Good day.
17 posted on 06/11/2002 1:59:19 PM PDT by Stavka2
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"Yup, all communist states have 13% flat taxes, 24% flat corporate taxes, the right to vote, self defense, own realistate and conduct business...whoops, but once again, I'm beating a dead horse with you...you'll just put your fingers in your ears and make loud noises so you don't have to face reality. Good day."

Hmmm why does that all sound so familiar? Oh yeah...

"In 1921 the economy of Russia lay in ruins. seven years of war and civil war had produced catastrophe. Industrial production stood at thirteen per cent of prewar volume; the grain harvest had fallen from 74 million tons in 1916 to 30 million tons in 1919 and continued to decline still further. Inflation was rampant, and although the Communists hated and feared it, they saw no alternative but to contribute to it by printing paper money. The immediate economic measures taken to meet the crisis could not be directly financial. nor could they involve any plans for extensive change in the structure of the economy. They aimed merely to persuade people to work and produce more, in the city or in the village, so that some kind of regular trade could be resumed, the urban masses fed, and the villages supplied with the goods for which they would willingly exchange their grain."....

"Although as indicated the food tax was prompted by basically political motives, it also initiated the revival of the economy. The law provided that the peasant must pay the government a tax in kind consisting of a certain percentage, varying somewhat from region to region, of his produce; he could then dispose of the remainder on the free market. A year later the tax was fixed at a standard ten per cent. In 1922 also the peasant was permitted to lease and hire labor, although purchase and sale of land were still prohibited. By the Fundamental Law on the Exploitation of Land by the Workers, enacted in Hay 1922, the government guaranteed the peasant freedom of choice of land tenure, individual, communal, or other. Thus the villager was permitted, within rather broad limits, to manage his own economic life as he saw fit...."

"By 1923-1924 it was apparent that the regime was managing to stabilize itself, at least for the time being, as the economic revival made headway. The open although limited encouragement given to private enterprise led many in and out of Russia to conclude that "capitalism" had returned for good, and that the Communists had jettisoned their long-proclaimed ideological objectives, which might never have been seriously meant anyhow. The introduction of the NEP was the first in a long series of occasions in Soviet history when foreign observers decided that Communist doctrine was ceasing to be significant in influencing the Soviet Leaders."


18 posted on 06/12/2002 6:49:01 PM PDT by Orion78
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Well gee, according to your thought pattern any day now there should be a communist reemergence...after all, the economy is growing now for 3+ years at 6+ percent and all...so lets just wait and see....how many more years of life do you have, say on average? I just want to know about how long to wait so I can smile down on your death bed and tell you I told you so.

By the way...the reason it should sound familiar is that before you Western intelligentsia forced Communism on us, 13% is what the Tsar took.

19 posted on 06/12/2002 8:42:31 PM PDT by Stavka2
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Of course, you conviniently ignore the freedom of speech (but you wouldn't know about that since you believe all the crap you read and have never been there to see it for yourself) and the fact about elections and such...all those little things you ignore in your hatred.
20 posted on 06/12/2002 8:44:06 PM PDT by Stavka2
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