Posted on 05/30/2002 7:40:53 AM PDT by Gladwin
Edited on 09/03/2002 4:50:34 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
Two House Republicans are citing landmark education reform legislation in pressing for the adoption of a school science curriculum in their home state of Ohio that includes the teaching of an alternative to evolution.
In what both sides of the debate say is the first attempt of its kind, Reps. John A. Boehner and Steve Chabot have urged the Ohio Board of Education to consider the language in a conference report that accompanied the major education law enacted earlier this year.....
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...
I would have said along with Johnnie Cochran, in a rhetoric or logic course. When he's actually added something to the store of knowledge, then, maybe, he would deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Darwin and other great scientists. Until then, he's just a demogogue/lawyer
Or not.
Read that as a factual statement, such as you telling me that it would be much easier to avoid falling off of things if I knew more about gravity.
It might be more effective to teach you about balance.
I wear glasses. Pretty high-speed ones too; they cost me a fortune. It helps in seeing the obvious imperfections more easily.
That sounds very familiar. Somebody's digging into his cut&paste baggie again.
In order to have a meaningful dialectic between science and religion, you would first have to use alchemy on the science side, then religions can more easily understand.
This is the second time I've called you on this. Your statement is, to be charitable, simply illiterate.
No wonder it's so messed up. I worked as a designer, and design by committee produces some pretty atrocious results.
I think you and Ford have the same idea. That airbag I had explode in my face was only supposed to be used for less than a second. It still did far more damage to me (deep lacerations and bruises, hearing loss) than the low-speed accident did (none).
Funny you mentioned that. I had a girlfriend getting her master's in some field of biology. One day she said "Look at the critter I designed!"
suspended reality(denial)---impossibility unleashed(fantasy/reason)...evolution!
Crack open your Old Testament. He starts getting pretty nasty not too far in. Dishonesty, adultry, rape, murder, genocide, it's all in there, all sanctioned or ordered by god.
Clinton and Hitler were Christian. And an interesting part of Stalin's life is:
In 1888 Stalin began attending the Gori Church School, where he learned Russian and excelled at his studies, winning a scholarship to the Tbilisi Theological Seminary in the Georgian capital in 1894. ... Stalin began his studies at the seminary as a devout believer in Orthodox ChristianityNo reference in the bio of him renouncing his faith.
You make this statement ----Banded iron formations (containing unoxidized iron) and pyrites don't form in the kind of oxidizing atmosphere you claim. I show you that they form in water not in air. You agree --- Solution, not air, yes. But the waters were oxygen-poor. but try to obscure that by mentioning oxygen, evidently in it's present atmospheric form. That was not indicated in the atmospheric composition in my citation. Having waved this red herring you try to make me defend someone I have not cited. No dice. As for your highly regarded and cited chemical expert, he is a self-admitted---
Who's the real fraud?(aptly describing you)
Version 1.0 -- By Nic Tamzek (concerned grad student; email: niiicholas@yahoo.com), with help. Graduate student, the area of study is unmentioned
This proffered "expert" is supposedly answering my interpretation of BIFs. You are so excited by his knowledge that you repeat your claim.
The guy answering Wells could have been answering you on the interpretation of BIFs. So could Schopf have been.
Please note: the guy answering Wells could have been answering you:
However, despite your misrepresentation that is not my interpretation. I only accept it. The interpretation belongs to this guy. You'll note, his credentials are not limited to a concerned graduate student.
CORNELIS ("KASE") KLEINPh.D., Harvard University, 1965. (Professor; Presidential Teaching Fellow) (505) 277-2023;
Research and Academic Interests:
Petrology, geochemistry, and the genesis of Precambrian iron-formations worldwide; the mineralogy of amphiboles and of amphibolite-type metamorphic assemblages. Joint studies (with N.J. Beukes) of Proterozoic iron-formations in South Africa have provided much new insight into their probable origin. This work has been extended (jointly with A.E. Ladeira) to the Archean and Proterozoic iron-formations (and ores) in the Quadrilᴥro Ferr�ro of Brazil.
Listing of Recent Publications:
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Since you apparently don't understand what you link, I doubt you will grasp the significance of this newer information
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Banded Iron Formations indicate an Oxygenated Atmosphere-Ocean System since ~3.8 GaPrimary Author: Hiroshi Ohmoto, Penn State Astrobiology Research CenterPresentation Type: Oral Presentation Session: Tuesday: Earth History Banded iron formations (BIFs) have played an important role in the development of theories concerning the chemical and biological evolution of early Earth. Most geologists believe BIFs only formed during the periods of 3.8 - 1.8 Ga and 0.8 - 0.6 Ga, in shallow seas, and under an anoxic atmosphere. However, our geological and geochemical investigations of many major BIF districts in the world (Australia, Canada, USA, South Africa, Finland, and Namibia) suggest entirely different scenarios exist. We conclude BIFs formed throughout geologic history due to their occurrence during the Ordovician, Devonian, and other Phanerozoic ages. Most BIFs, especially Algoma-type, formed on deep (>2 km) seafloor, as a result of the mixing of local bottom seawater with locally discharged submarine hydrothermal fluids. The chemistry of local seawater and hydrothermal fluids determines the mineralogy and chemistry of submarine hydrothermal deposits. For example, oxide-type BIFs form where the bottom ocean water is oxygen-rich, carbonate-type BIFs form where the bottom water is anoxic, and sulfide-type BIFs form where sulfate-reducing bacteria are active. The oxygen concentration profile of oceans is related to the oxygen content of the atmosphere. Therefore, the common occurrence of oxide-type BIFs suggests the atmosphere-ocean system has been oxygenated since ~3.8 Ga. |
And as for this statement from you ---If you don't have your own, you need one.
I understand your concern since you are the one posting it and you have a demonstrated track record of misrepresentation.
Aw, nuts.
He won't because he can't. Even the most often referenced odds-against-evolution document here (Anyone remember? It was discussed on FR) doesn't work. I ran it past a Ph.D. math friend of mine and he says it's convincing -- to the layman who doesn't know any better.
You can be--believe--prove anything...
use it home---on your friends too!
Good Luck! The examples of the Darwinists logic, civility, and understanding should give you good indication of what a daunting task you have. Even the merest mention of any problem with the theory results in catcalls and the brandishing of the name of Galileo.
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