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To: serinde
>>>And the concept of "just getting it over with," is also a crock.

It's not a crock, its politics. And in case you don't know it, that's how the game is played. In the short term, or the long term, politics remains a part of our society, culture and governemnt. You can't take politics out of life, its part of being a human being, its part of human nature.

Only libertarian deadheads, believe in some idealistic utopian society, where everything is perfect and everyone gets along. That's shear nonsense!

Remember, the Founding Fathers weren't just great revolutionaries, they were the consumate politicians of their day. They knew how to play the political game with the best of them and they usually won out, over the lesser players.

>>>Just once I would like to see politicians actually try to make the country a better place, instead of making peoples' lives worse.

We can always do a better job, but no one is perfect. To say that American's today, don't have the ultimate freedoms and liberties, of any nation in world history, is to overlook the obvious. Why are so many of you people, so damn pessimistic? I've never heard such doom and gloom BS in my life.

This is by far, the best place to live in the world.

Enjoy yourself!

155 posted on 05/31/2002 1:48:40 PM PDT by Reagan Man
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To: Reagan Man
And in case you don't know it, that's how the game is played.

Yes, I do know how the game is played. I also know that "playing the game" is screwing up the country. I don't have to like it!

Only libertarian deadheads, believe in some idealistic utopian society, where everything is perfect and everyone gets along. That's shear nonsense!

I said I "hoped" and "wished" things were different. That does not mean I don't and can't recognize reality. I also believe in heaven, where everything is perfect. Does that make me a libertarian deadhead, also? (FWIW, our discussion has been going along quite fine without the name calling. I would appreciate that aspect not changing.)

Remember, the Founding Fathers weren't just great revolutionaries, they were the consumate politicians of their day. They knew how to play the political game with the best of them and they usually won out, over the lesser players.

And they set up the rules for the game, which our modern politicians are not following.

To say that American's today, don't have the ultimate freedoms and liberties, of any nation in world history, is to overlook the obvious. Why are so many of you people, so damn pessimistic? I've never heard such doom and gloom BS in my life.

No, in the past we had the ultimate freedoms and liberties. Today, right now, those freedoms and liberties are no longer ultimate. "Doom and gloom" about this is not BS, it is reality.

Here are two collections of articles that explain this in words I don't have: Freedom Essays and Civil Rights Articles

This is by far, the best place to live in the world. Enjoy yourself!

I agree with this. That does not mean I won't do what I can to make it better.

161 posted on 06/01/2002 7:23:23 AM PDT by serinde
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