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To: Reagan Man
And in case you don't know it, that's how the game is played.

Yes, I do know how the game is played. I also know that "playing the game" is screwing up the country. I don't have to like it!

Only libertarian deadheads, believe in some idealistic utopian society, where everything is perfect and everyone gets along. That's shear nonsense!

I said I "hoped" and "wished" things were different. That does not mean I don't and can't recognize reality. I also believe in heaven, where everything is perfect. Does that make me a libertarian deadhead, also? (FWIW, our discussion has been going along quite fine without the name calling. I would appreciate that aspect not changing.)

Remember, the Founding Fathers weren't just great revolutionaries, they were the consumate politicians of their day. They knew how to play the political game with the best of them and they usually won out, over the lesser players.

And they set up the rules for the game, which our modern politicians are not following.

To say that American's today, don't have the ultimate freedoms and liberties, of any nation in world history, is to overlook the obvious. Why are so many of you people, so damn pessimistic? I've never heard such doom and gloom BS in my life.

No, in the past we had the ultimate freedoms and liberties. Today, right now, those freedoms and liberties are no longer ultimate. "Doom and gloom" about this is not BS, it is reality.

Here are two collections of articles that explain this in words I don't have: Freedom Essays and Civil Rights Articles

This is by far, the best place to live in the world. Enjoy yourself!

I agree with this. That does not mean I won't do what I can to make it better.

161 posted on 06/01/2002 7:23:23 AM PDT by serinde
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To: serinde
>>>Yes, I do know how the game is played. I also know that "playing the game" is screwing up the country. I don't have to like it!

There are good and bad in everything, politics included. However, you can't change human nature. People have different opinions and values and beliefs. It's tough getting a consensus, even among freedom loving American's.

>>>I also believe in heaven, where everything is perfect.

Let's stick to life on Earth, okay?. The hereafter will take care of its self.

>>>And they set up the rules for the game, which our modern politicians are not following.

I don't see it that way. Care to explain, briefly?

>>>No, in the past we had the ultimate freedoms and liberties. Today, right now, those freedoms and liberties are no longer ultimate. "Doom and gloom" about this is not BS, it is reality.

In 1790 America, you had less people and more open space to move about. In 1790, there were about 4,000,000 American's living , over some 868,000 square miles. The nation has grown and its only natural for laws, regulations and restrictions to grow with an expanding population. I appreciate you admitting to being a doom and gloom fanatic. That helps in making my points.

>>>Here are two collections of articles that explain this in words I don't have:

I recognize some of the titles in both links and a brief skim through, tells me all I need to know. The links are for a womens pro-gun website and that part is just great, but the pages you sent me to, are for anti government and anti society propaganda. Just for your information, the internet is filled with an over abundance of these militant trash sites.

No wonder you got annoyed with my term, libertarian deadheads. The term refers to people who want America turned into some utopian society and culture based on radical libertarian principles, of absolute and unrestricted liberty. In such a nation there would be few laws, to regulate and restrict excessive human behavior. In such a nation, morals and ethics would be set aside, in favor of a society where anything goes and law abiding American's can't walk down the street, without looking over their shoulder. Being vigilant is one thing, throwing all caution to the wind is irresponsible. A nation that doesn't respect the will of the people and the laws of the land, is a nation whose future is doomed. Such a nation is exactly what radical libertarians want America turned into. A nation of chaos and anarchy.

But libertarian's aren't just content with promoting a philosophy and agenda that is fringe political extremism. No, they're only satisfied by exposing American's to their radical form of thinking. They want American's to join them and become just like them, reactionary absolutists, who revert to paranoia, distrust and hatred, in guiding their personal beliefs and daily lives. Radical libertarianism has no moral compass and will never be considered and/or accepted, as a mainstream force in American life. That includes all aspects of American society, culture and government.

Lifting excessive taxation on working American's and thereby reducing the size and scope of our bloated federal bureaucracy is one thing. Reducing abusive and excessive restrictions and regulations, is an admirable undertaking and something I fully support. But expecting reasonable, sensible and pragmatic American's to agree, to the principles of libertraianism, is like asking for people to devolve and return to a time, when survival of the fittest was the name of the game. Libertarians want to destroy 10,000 years of civilization and return mankind, to the animal kingdom. If you want that to happen, you'd better pray for an all out, total nuclear conflict. That's about the only way, such an extreme reality could ever exist.

162 posted on 06/01/2002 11:13:04 AM PDT by Reagan Man
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