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To: Reagan Man
Unfortunatly Reagan Man, and a few others, your statements are only partial truths.

Most libertarians are not for "abortion rights" though a few are. Most are for making it illegal in each of their states. However, our contention is that it is NOT a FEDERAL ISSUE, and the SCOTUS does not have the right to legislate from the bench on what a State can or can not do in its sovereign capacity.

As far as legalisation of drugs (of any kind) under what section of the constitution does it say that they can limit what substance I put in my body. Just like anything, their are good and bad purposes for almost ALL drugs/chemical useage, and the big brother should not be determining how and when I use them. Haven't we learned anything about the prohibition? Legislation in that capacity does not limit crime, it creates it in an exponential fashion and makes stupid things (like drug use) the COOL thing to do. Start your own campaign, and I'll donate money to it in the private sector, and explain to everyone in commercials, flyers, etc... that drugs use for recreational use is bad for you and can kill you. But don't have big brother stop me from making higher grade clothes out of hemp becuase they say someone might get high on smoking their new well built pants.

Libertarians, generally, are not for unlimited immigration, just like most republicans are against abortion, but factions do support abortion. We are for free trade and individuals from outside, as long as they are not under investigation should be free to come here in trade just as we should be able to go elsewhere and trade without interference by anyone. It is your and my right to conduct our trade of choice without (or with very very limited) intervention by government. Bush is the one refusing to lock down our borders and allow the illegal immigration and pushing for amnesty for a bunch of criminals not the libertarians.

The notion of dismantling the criminal justice system is also absurd. We are for a much stronger criminal justice system, but only for CRIMES (abridgement of another persons life, liberty, or pursuit of happiness) not for not wearing your seatbelt or for some bonehead smoking a bong on his living room. Here is the difference between your philosophy and mine.

You are for, if your in possession of some drugs (of whatever type), go to jail for whatever amount of time or probation, whatever. Even if they haven't done anything. The response to your version of criminals is that it is either 1)The cool thing to do to rebel and to fit in showing your contempt of "authority" 2) An escape from "reality"

I am for if you want to smoke your bong or crack pipe, or whatever, thats fine. If your dumb enough to do it just becuase then thats your problem. Now if your in my house stealing a doller becuase it is so cheap now that it is not illegal to get your drugs, then you get either shot or arrested.

Either way someone who wants to drugs is going to do them. Making it illegal, just like the prohibition, makes the end users have to steal to get enough money to but the expensive stuff, and puts them in jail just for having it. But then it creates an upper class distributer market of criminal, that buys police and police departments, politicians, etc.. Creates an undue burden on the judiciary etc...

I would much rather deal with the consequences of to much liberty than to little.
34 posted on 05/28/2002 9:32:05 AM PDT by borntodiefree
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To: borntodiefree
Most libertarians are not for "abortion rights" though a few are.

First of all, pro-life libertarians have left the LP and joined the Liberty Caucus, which is a side-wing of the Republican Party. To simply consider abortion, a states rights issue, is to overlook the serious nature of this crucial issue, that directly relates to life itself. Abortion is the killing of innocent unborn humans. The primary responsibility of the federal government, is to serve, protect and defend all Americans and that includes, Americans developeing in their mothers womb too! A right to life amendment, is part of the Republican Platform and is overwhelmingly supported by conservatives. Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness is meant for all American's, born or unborn!

As far as legalisation of drugs (of any kind) under what section of the constitution does it say that they can limit what substance I put in my body.</i.

Not everything is specifically spelled out in the Constitution, you should know that. But the Constitution gives Congress the power to legislate and the USSC, judicial power that extends to all cases, in law and equity, arising under our Constitution. The Controlled Substances Act of 1970 and the 1991, Supreme Court ruling, Touby v. US, are the legislative and legal decisions that made our national drug control policy the law of the land. If that law bothers you, or upsets you,(it seems to do both in your case), get it changed through the legisaltive process.

Libertarians, generally, are not for unlimited immigration...

That's incorrect. Read the LP platform.
We therefore call for the elimination of all restrictions on immigration, the abolition of the Immigration and Naturalization Service and the Border Patrol, and a declaration of full amnesty for all people who have entered the country illegally.

The notion of dismantling the criminal justice system is also absurd.

The LP platform states:
We advocate the repeal of laws prohibiting the production, sale, or use of drugs; the repeal of laws restricting the use of alcohol; the repeal of laws regarding consensual sexual relations, including prostitution, and the cessation of state harassment of homosexuals; the repeal of laws prohibiting the distribution of sexually explicit material; the repeal of laws regulating gambling; the repeal of anti-racketeering statutes, the repeal of laws interfering with the right to commit suicide.
Source: National Platform of the Libertarian Party Jul 2, 2000

Absurd? NOT AT ALL!!! I'd call that a good start, on the road to dismantling America's criminal justice system. Most rational people call such policy, chaos and anarchy!

You forgot to address the Libertarian platform stance on the US military. The Libertarian platform is clearly, anti-military. Here's what a certain libertarian said back in 2000.

If the US were to pursue a policy of defending its own borders while avoiding foreign intervention, we could realistically reduce our defense budget to as little as $125 billion over the next five years.
Source: Libertarian Solutions; Michael Tanner on LP Web site Nov 7, 2000

This will not work in todays complicated world. The US has many real and pressing interests around the globe and American interests must be placed before we follow a policy of, non-involvement and military isolationism.

54 posted on 05/28/2002 12:04:56 PM PDT by Reagan Man
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