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To: borntodiefree
Most libertarians are not for "abortion rights" though a few are.

First of all, pro-life libertarians have left the LP and joined the Liberty Caucus, which is a side-wing of the Republican Party. To simply consider abortion, a states rights issue, is to overlook the serious nature of this crucial issue, that directly relates to life itself. Abortion is the killing of innocent unborn humans. The primary responsibility of the federal government, is to serve, protect and defend all Americans and that includes, Americans developeing in their mothers womb too! A right to life amendment, is part of the Republican Platform and is overwhelmingly supported by conservatives. Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness is meant for all American's, born or unborn!

As far as legalisation of drugs (of any kind) under what section of the constitution does it say that they can limit what substance I put in my body.</i.

Not everything is specifically spelled out in the Constitution, you should know that. But the Constitution gives Congress the power to legislate and the USSC, judicial power that extends to all cases, in law and equity, arising under our Constitution. The Controlled Substances Act of 1970 and the 1991, Supreme Court ruling, Touby v. US, are the legislative and legal decisions that made our national drug control policy the law of the land. If that law bothers you, or upsets you,(it seems to do both in your case), get it changed through the legisaltive process.

Libertarians, generally, are not for unlimited immigration...

That's incorrect. Read the LP platform.
We therefore call for the elimination of all restrictions on immigration, the abolition of the Immigration and Naturalization Service and the Border Patrol, and a declaration of full amnesty for all people who have entered the country illegally.

The notion of dismantling the criminal justice system is also absurd.

The LP platform states:
We advocate the repeal of laws prohibiting the production, sale, or use of drugs; the repeal of laws restricting the use of alcohol; the repeal of laws regarding consensual sexual relations, including prostitution, and the cessation of state harassment of homosexuals; the repeal of laws prohibiting the distribution of sexually explicit material; the repeal of laws regulating gambling; the repeal of anti-racketeering statutes, the repeal of laws interfering with the right to commit suicide.
Source: National Platform of the Libertarian Party Jul 2, 2000

Absurd? NOT AT ALL!!! I'd call that a good start, on the road to dismantling America's criminal justice system. Most rational people call such policy, chaos and anarchy!

You forgot to address the Libertarian platform stance on the US military. The Libertarian platform is clearly, anti-military. Here's what a certain libertarian said back in 2000.

If the US were to pursue a policy of defending its own borders while avoiding foreign intervention, we could realistically reduce our defense budget to as little as $125 billion over the next five years.
Source: Libertarian Solutions; Michael Tanner on LP Web site Nov 7, 2000

This will not work in todays complicated world. The US has many real and pressing interests around the globe and American interests must be placed before we follow a policy of, non-involvement and military isolationism.

54 posted on 05/28/2002 12:04:56 PM PDT by Reagan Man
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To: Reagan Man
First of all, pro-life libertarians have left the LP and joined the Liberty Caucus, which is a side-wing of the Republican Party. To simply consider abortion, a states rights issue, is to overlook the serious nature of this crucial issue, that directly relates to life itself. Abortion is the killing of innocent unborn humans. The primary responsibility of the federal government, is to serve, protect and defend all Americans and that includes, Americans developeing in their mothers womb too! A right to life amendment, is part of the Republican Platform and is overwhelmingly supported by conservatives. Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness is meant for all American's, born or unborn!

You need to reread your constitution. All of the so called federal laws are legitamite, but only apply to DC and its other possessions such as ports, forts, magazines, etc... All Federal laws regulating the individual are a fraud. Like it or not, any other view means that someone can not clearly read the plain text of the constitution of the US. Yes, the SCOTUS was wrong...suprise, suprise. The states did not give the US the right to legislate its Citizens on such matters. I am anti-abortion, and I do will not go back to the pro-comprimise to get what you want Republican party

Not everything is specifically spelled out in the Constitution, you should know that. But the Constitution gives Congress the power to legislate and the USSC, judicial power that extends to all cases, in law and equity, arising under our Constitution. The Controlled Substances Act of 1970 and the 1991, Supreme Court ruling, Touby v. US, are the legislative and legal decisions that made our national drug control policy the law of the land. If that law bothers you, or upsets you,(it seems to do both in your case), get it changed through the legisaltive process.

Again the case you stated and the SCOTUS decision was generally wrong. They may be morally correct, but it was not a power granted to them. It is either an individual or at most a State issue. You and yours have no right to tell me what I can or can not do to my body. That is between me and God. Yes, I think it is dumb, so what.

That's incorrect. Read the LP platform. We therefore call for the elimination of all restrictions on immigration, the abolition of the Immigration and Naturalization Service and the Border Patrol, and a declaration of full amnesty for all people who have entered the country illegally.

A platform means it was voted in, not the view of all or even most of the group. The greatest point of Libertarians is not anarchy, but free thinking. We don't all agree, and this piece of the platform is wrong and I don't support it nor do most other libertarians.

The LP platform states:
We advocate the repeal of laws prohibiting the production, sale, or use of drugs; the repeal of laws restricting the use of alcohol
Dumb, but none of our business

the repeal of laws regarding consensual sexual relations, including prostitution, and the cessation of state harassment of homosexuals; the repeal of laws prohibiting the distribution of sexually explicit material
Immoral/sinful, but does not violate your rights and therefore should not be a crime, but I sure do and would encourage others to preach against it. However, to sale or distribution to minors can be a crime becuase children are under the dominion of their parents and pushed/sold porn to children is engaging in business where one knows the child does not have the right to purchase directly

the repeal of laws regulating gambling; the repeal of anti-racketeering statutes
uhmm gambling is none of our business. If someone wants to go down and play 100 dollars on the craps table and win something or 100 dollars in the arcade and just waste time, what business is it of yours or mine?NONE. I won't go down the path of anti-racketeering becuase it is the biggest racket ever develpoed. If they beet up someone or influence someone with force, then they are guilty of a crime but there is to much "junk" in the anti-racketeering laws

the repeal of laws interfering with the right to commit suicide

This is again sinful and immoral, but someone is not going to not commit suicide becuase it is a crime..That is idiotic. they need help, not prison (if they fail). Now assisting someone by doing an act is murder.
64 posted on 05/28/2002 3:16:11 PM PDT by borntodiefree
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