[discostu]

If you actually stopped twisting words and responded to what was actually being said instead of what you want the person to say this could have been settled peacefully in two posts two days ago.

You've consistently ignored my repeated stated position as to WHY enforcement is important (again, because in a wide open system people are more obligated to pay their electric bill than child support). You're continuing to ignore my proposed solution which would kick the fed out AND give a level of useful enforecement.

I'm forced to think you have alterior motives. That in truth you do want a wide open system that allows men to walk away from familial obligations. What is so terribly wrong with holding people responsible for the debt that they've incurred. I've thuroughly read all of your stuff, and yes I agree that the federal program is bad. Again why is it I can admit the areas where you're right but you find it so difficult to admit somebody else might be right? Took me half a day to get you to admit that there really are deadbeat dads. Apparently there's no way to get you to admit that actual deadbeat dads should have to pay their debts just like any other deadbeat.

And as for you and William if you'd actually read your history books you'd find that the economic system that allows for the greatest strivings towards perfection is capitalism; communism/ socialism produced 3rd rate garbage when it produced anything at all. So as for what I'd be willing to give up the answer is NOTHING, giving things up means no longer striving for perfection. Perfection means having your cake and eating it too. We can never get there, but that doesn't mean it's not worth trying.

[RogerFGay]

You haven't suggested any idea related to perfection in any sense. What you're suggesting is simply a maximization on one variable: cheap and dirty. What you should have learned by now from this discussion is that it's a dirty idea, it's cheap in concept; but it's not cheap to implement: in this case as in many the cost is infinite and is so in more than just dollars; trying to actually reach that maximum does much more harm (virtually infinite more) than good (virtually no good at all). That's often the case generally. I'm really offering you a valuable insight, the kind of thing that really smart people learn in college; learn and think about the difference between maximum and optimum.