Posted on 05/24/2002 1:31:15 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
Last month, an intriguing little congressional pow-wow was clandestinely held – no press invited – in the Northern Virginia town of Leesburg. It was a 3-day conference, and attendance appears to have been restricted by ethnicity and race.
But this was not a gathering of the Leesburg chapter of the White Citizens Council. It was a conclave of three congressional caucuses – the Black Caucus, the Hispanic Caucus and the Asia Pacific Caucus. And the invitation list appears to have been made up with one provision in mind: No whites need apply.
As described in a front-page story in the New York Times, the goal of this "tri-caucus retreat" was to "create an atmosphere of understanding among groups that have often felt pitted against one another for resources and recognition." But as the caucuses claim to represent only Americans of African, Asian and Hispanic descent, just what were they uniting for, and who are they uniting against?
Now since the Democratic Party has been fairly described as a "collection of warring tribes that has come together in anticipation of common plunder," and all attendees were Democrats, there was lots of talk of a joint looting expedition at the expense of taxpayers.
Attendees pointed to their common front on the $175 billion farm bill, where the Black Caucus demanded an expansion of the food-stamp program, and the Hispanic Caucus demanded restoration of food stamps for immigrants. Apparently, they had jointly triumphed.
Another "shining example" of collusion was in Texas, where Hispanics and blacks joined forces to nominate Tony Sanchez for governor and African-American Ron Kirk for Senate. Capturing the seats lately held by George W. Bush and Phil Gramm for a Hispanic and an African American would apparently be real progress.
But all this raises a question: If it is acceptable for blacks and Hispanics to collude to seize power from white Americans, why is it a violation of civil rights for whites to collude to increase their representation in legislatures at the expense of minorities? If the latter is racism, why is the former progress?
The closer one reads Lynette Clemetson's Times' story, the more it appears this Leesburg summit was not about the politics of aiding the poor and powerless against the rich and powerful. This secret summit was about how folks of Third World ancestry can join forces to seize power and resources from white America.
For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction is a law of Newtonian physics. The same is true in politics. If it has become acceptable for caucuses that represent people of color to join against America's white majority, look for white folks to begin to identify themselves by race, rather than party or philosophy, to preserve what they have. Has the New York Times considered the consequences of what its reporter seems to be celebrating?
All, however, was not harmony at Leesburg. Seems that last January, Latino businessman broke away from the National Minority Auto Dealers Association to form the National Hispanic Auto Dealers Association. Reported without comment. Can one imagine the Times' reaction to a Euro-American Auto Dealers Association?
As Clemetson's story runs on, the Spirit of Leesburg began to reveal itself in the entertainment: "Audience members sat rapt as Sarah Jones, a socially conscious writer and actress ... slipped in and out of accents to portray characters from a Mexican-American labor organizer to a new immigrant from Haiti who scolded listeners: 'God bless America, but not because of you. Remember, your ancestors came here, too.'"
Would it be impertinent to ask who "you" is? And if this us-vs.-them racial rhetoric is acceptable at a Third World caucus-coalition, why is it a hate crime for white folks? Nor was this the end of the fun. Writes Clemetson: "Beau Sea, a Chinese-American slam poet from Oklahoma, raised eyebrows with his confrontational number, 'The Asians are coming'":
We are everywhere
We are programming your Websites
Making your executives look smart
And getting into your schools – for free
And you know what?
It's only gonna get bigger.
Middle America: Hello! From what went down at Leesburg, it is clear the old idea of integration and assimilation, of one nation and one people, is giving way among elites of color to a racial and ethnic spoils system. And as "Anglos" are a minority in California already and soon to be a minority in Texas, perhaps they should start asking what kind of country it is going to be when they are outnumbered nationwide by mid-century.
Now, what is so hard to understand about that concept? I'm not going to type it one more time for you.
show a case where other groups have recently caucused to plot a joint plundering process.
You can't be serious ?! Let's see, we'll take a very simple example....
Hospital and drug company trade groups form and try to influence legislation that will favor them. THEY ALL CAUCUS TOGETHER TO GET MORE PLUNDER. They are uniting against consumers, insurance companies, lawyers, etc.
ALL OF THE TENS/HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF SIMILAR GROUPS CAUCUS TOGETHER TO GET MORE PLUNDER, THEY ARE AGAINST ALL OTHER GROUPS WHO ARE IN COMPETITION FOR FEDERAL MONEY.
Are you a foreigner ? You seem either very naïve or uninformed about how this works in the US.
You call that a tough question ? As I posted above, I call it one that just shows your ignorance, so don't be so proud of it.
And, you're comparing self-described racial groups to business groups? From my perspective, this is a "one is not like the other" situation, but whatever.
I'm as against corporate welfare as I am individual welfare as I am group welfare. And no, your earlier posts were not at all clear on this, other than in your own mind.
This "logic," if one can call it that, is terribly flawed.
While God does indeed give capablities, these capablities are not Judeo-Christian from birth. They're just capabilities.
Now, if you had said this: "They seek to deny the immense contributions made by Europeans who came to America to explore the use of their Judeo-Christian faith and God given capabilities," it would be correct.
I am a Caucasian, and there are those who hate me for that.
Sadly, this is true. However, don't confuse me an American black man, with those who hate you. I hate ideas, evil, and practices, but I don't hate any one person or group of people.
At least the bunch at this meeting do.
Of course, we all know these Hispanics are going to vote Republican, don't we? If you buy this line being put out by the President and the Republicans, I have a bridge---------
Simple- that scenario is convenient for the elites. A divided populace is easy to control, and really, you couldn't ask for a better fustercluck. On the one hand you have a majority group, brainwashed froim the earliest ages to believe that they are the scum of the Earth and owe 'something' to any minority groups surrounding them. This indoctrination gets worse as time goes on, generation by generation.
Then you have the minority groups, brainwashed from the earliest ages to believe the majority owes them 'something', and that if they just support the elites and do what they're told, that the elites will get them the 'something' they are owed (which, of course, they never do).
The minorities of course are not powerful enough to violently overthrow the majority, who become apathetic; never fighting the confiscation of what they 'owe' the minorities. The minorities in turn take whatever they can get from the elites, never realizing that they have become dependent on the same white-devil-slave-masters they thought they were fighting.
It's perfect. Orwell couldn't think up a better plan.
I, for one, am old, but not that old. I had nothing to do with that and will not, will not, be judged by what someone did then. It has no relevance here. There are a group, or groups, that are intent on destroying the American culture and they are doing it with your hard-earned money. There is no way around it and if people will stop letting the media shape their opinion of Buchanan, they may see they agree with him more than they disagree.
Also, there are a lot of people who have lived off the taxpayers for years. I suspect Buchanan has a shorter government career than most around.
I wonder if you're engaging in selective reading. I'm pretty sure I addressed this point earlier, but maybe I haven't done a good job explaining myself.
My point is that we need to stop looking at race and start looking at what is best for America. America has always rested the foundation of Western Civilization and, especially, English cultural mores. These are the things that made this country great. Part of that culture is the Rule of Law, which is *supposed* to apply to all races equally. Thus, it is un-American to make laws that either help or hinder any one group over another.
I said I would gladly join a fight against *any* group of hyphenated Americans, because I think the concept is un-American and only forments discord and hard feelings. You should not appeal to me or anyone based on race, but on the fact we are Americans, and these groups are acting contrary to the American Way.
*Please* read this entire post. As for my own race: why does it matter? Am I not an American? I was born and raised here. I took part in a war while serving this country. Politically, appealing to race is just wrong, whomever does it.
Tuor
Buchanan was simply relaying a story of who, what when and what they said. - Period.
Yes, I dispute it.
Now if a group of people are meeting to discuss how to take away what I and my family work to achieve, then, they are definitely not my friends and I am definitely not going to cheer them on - so sorry if that sounds --- well, sensible.
Oh, c'mon! Stevie Wonder can see what's going on here.
I'm not sure of the date, but, Hispanics will outnumber America's black population by 2025. The CBC now has no choice but to gladhand Hispanic members of Congress since blacks are about to lose the status of being the nation's largest minority. Why Asians are in this picture is anyone's guess.
This secret summit was about how folks of Third World ancestry can join forces to seize power and resources from white America.
Isn't it amazing how something good can be so easily ruined? I was with Pat (shocked, I tell ya!) up until this point. African nations are considered third-world. No biggie. But what is his point in bringing this into the debate? It serves no purpose and has nothing to do with this entire article.
Applying today's standards to the time of Roman Empire, Western European lands would have been considered "third-world." Consider this from Dr. Thomas Sowell:
The very words we use and the framework within which we think are shaped by cultural patterns spread by force in centuries past. Much of modern Europe is a cultural heir of the Roman Empire, and its languages offshoots of Latin.. Other European languages, such as German and Slavic, prevail in a geographic pattern established by conquests of the fifth and sixth centuries. The Islamic conquests during Europe's "dark ages" were an important source of light, bringing advances in mathematics, science, and philosophy to Europe from a vast domain that reached from the Indian subcontinent to the Atlantic Ocean. So-called Arabic numerals originated in fact among the Hindus of India, though the misnomer reveals the source through which this numbering system reached Western civilization. The conquest of Spain by the Moslems in the eighth century was especially important, as Spain became for centuries thereafter a center of diffusion into Northern and Western Europe of the more advanced knowledge of Mediterranean world and of the Orient in astronomy, medicine, optics, geometry, printing, and geography. Even the philosphy of ancient Greece often reached Western Europe in Arabic translations, which were in turn retranslated in Spain into Latin or into the vernacular languages of Western Europe.
So I guess this means Western European ancestry is "third-world" too, right? It all depends on how one wishes to view history, I guess.
Why are you ascribing assumptions to Pat? He didn't say they aren't white - he accurately reports that Hispanics are themselves GROUPING together with Asians and Blacks. America is a nation of individuals and Pat questions this coalition, that's all.
As far as Hispanics being non-white, let's look at the FBI statistics: they are both White and non-White. If a Hispanic is the VICTIM of a crime, he is non-White; if he is the PERPETRATOR of that crime, then he is White.
then why are you in favor of the Black-Asian-Hispanic coalition against Whites?
Lol...
Buchanan is NOT rejecting them - read the article - Hispanics are GROUPING THEMSELVES with Blacks and Asians. Pats questions the reasons.
FYI-Non-white americans were given the freedom of assembly a long long time ago, much as you'd like to turn back the clock. Unless tax dollars were used to fund the Tricaucus poetry slam, there's no cause for (your) complaint.
Keep me posted on the color-coded treasury system though. That sounds like a real winner.
I'm *not*. Jeez. Does anyone actually read my posts? I'm *not* in favor of such a coalition. I'm not in favor of *any* sort of coalition that is based on race. Realisticly, Whites may have to counter this by forming their own coalition, but that would be unfortunate and also just as un-American as a Black-Asian-Hispanic coalition.
Tuor
I remember that bill buckley made a big deal out of insisting that buchanan was anti jewish. Buckley wrote a big article at least 30 pages long, I read the whole thing, in it Buckley said that Buchanan was anti-jew because he had not denied that he was anti-jew, therefore he was anti-jew. He had no other evidence than that. He merely insisted that since he was accused he should go out of his way to deny and since he didn't, then he was guilty.
So, I just don't believe you.
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