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Ted Maher now says "It was an accident"
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Posted on 05/23/2002 7:54:41 PM PDT by Jalapeno

New Yorker pleads with Monaco court not to prosecute him in arson deaths

 

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Ted Maher, left, could spend the rest of his life in a Monaco prison if convicted of killing billionaire Edmond Safra and a nurse in a fire he set in 1999.

 









 

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption
KEYWORDS: monacofreetedmaher; sanfrancisco; tedmaher
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To: Nita Nupress
Well I am not going to come late to this party since it is obvious that it is one of those real hot buttons. It does appear though that his supporters are never going to believe anything but that the man was tortured into a "confession". I hope it all turns out well and that justice is done one way or the other.
401 posted on 05/27/2002 8:10:32 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: Texasforever
"I hope it all turns out well and that justice is done one way or the other."

That's all that has ever been asked.
Either a fair trial or his release.
402 posted on 05/27/2002 8:15:55 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: Texasforever
"It does appear though that his supporters are never going to believe anything but that the man was tortured into a "confession".

I'm sure not going to believe the hack job done by Time Magazine and the NY Times in post 141, that's for sure. LOL
403 posted on 05/27/2002 8:17:43 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
Well I can't fault you for that, given their track record. Good luck.
404 posted on 05/27/2002 8:19:02 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: OwenKellogg
You find sanity where people are content with imprisonment without trial? Please go, like you promised.

Monaco does not have the same Constitution we have. One should understand that before going to work and live there.

I am going. Too much sanctimony here.

405 posted on 05/27/2002 8:20:37 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: Registered
You're wasting your time, buddy.
406 posted on 05/27/2002 8:23:32 PM PDT by Senator Pardek
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To: shigure
>>>Whoa, there fella! I'm not sinkspur.<<<

You're right. My apologies.

>>>But I haven't seen anything by sinkspur on this thread that warrants the insults he's received <<<

His words: "I'm for sanity, too, but I haven't found much of that on this thread. "

Sinkspur has accused the majority of the posters on this thread who are asking for justice (in the western civilization style) as insane. He is the master of insult.

407 posted on 05/27/2002 8:24:17 PM PDT by OwenKellogg
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To: sinkspur
"One should understand that before going to work and live there."

Did you tell that to the pot smoking liberal who was caught in Russia?
Did you oppose our government getting him free?
408 posted on 05/27/2002 8:26:57 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: shigure
"But I haven't seen anything by sinkspur on this thread that warrants the insults he's received"

Read post # 2 where he called anyone supporting Ted a fool.
409 posted on 05/27/2002 8:28:44 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: OwenKellogg
Sinkspur has accused the majority of the posters on this thread who are asking for justice (in the western civilization style) as insane. He is the master of insult.

And you're the master of rudeness.

Gossiping about another poster without flagging them to defend themselves is cowardly.

There is a great deal of strange thinking on this thread, and much of it comes from Ted's defenders. I hope Ted receives the justice he deserves, whatever that is.

410 posted on 05/27/2002 8:33:09 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
It is common courtesy to flag a poster when making reference to them.
411 posted on 05/27/2002 8:34:49 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
"I hope it all turns out well and that justice is done one way or the other."

That's all that has ever been asked. Either a fair trial or his release.

If that is all that had been asked, then I would agree.

In America we are to presume the accused to be innocent, normally we make this presumption of innocence with only having the crime and little hard evidence before us. In this case, we have the detail reporting and the information that the Maher family has been compiling (something I would do too). Some would even perceive that the story and the facts concerning what happened has undergone some changes and evolved to the point we are at today. However, time after time after time in this thread we are being told to believe he is innocent, and let's face it, many FReepers are skeptics, which comes from some of the experiences many of us have had here in the forum. As long as we only get behind pushing for a speedy trial and leave the determination of guilt or innocence in the hands of the Monaco legal system and Ted's attorneys then I am fine with all this.
412 posted on 05/27/2002 8:41:40 PM PDT by Registered
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To: sinkspur
You crack me up! Mr. Kettle meet Mr. Pot.



To: Fred Mertz

Why does the FBI continue to lie to us, even after September 11?

Why don't you post some "unnamed sources" proving that they're lying?

davis84, Fred Mertz, OKCSub. I'm waiting for Jethro Tull, Demidog, and Betty Jo to show up to complete the usual cast of paranoids.

41 posted on 5/27/02 8:11 PM Eastern by sinkspur
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From here: Your reply #41

414 posted on 05/27/2002 8:43:11 PM PDT by Fred Mertz
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To: Texasforever; All
One thing is certain about this case: It's very easy to decide that Ted Maher is guilty if one has no time to read beyond what the NY Times & other prostituted media tell you. This is a complex case and it takes a lot of digging to learn all the basic facts. Most people glance over articles like this, decide he's guilty, then go on about their business. It's understandable, especially when Ted comes out with a statement that seems to be saying he's not completely without fault.

I'm bringing forward some of my previous comments, in case anyone missed them. Hopefully, this will address the obvious question being raised. 

 

First, a key sentence from the Court TV article:

The court is expected to issue a key ruling within weeks which could determine whether Maher goes home to upstate New York soon or if he will spend much of the rest of his life imprisoned in the tiny French principality on the Mediterranean.


My previous comments on this thread that are very relevant to the above statement:

I may be wrong, but here's my take on Ted's current situation as it stands.  (This is strictly my interpretation, and I hope I don't screw up something for him by throwing my theory around in public.  I'm just stating the obvious.)

The decision about his defense strategy is a huge gamble.  Does he continue insisting on his complete innocence and risk life in prison and never seeing his children again?  If he steadfastly continues to talk about "intruders," then Monaco is forced to deal with it accordingly.  They must protect their "safe" image since their economy is based on tourism.

On the other hand, should he vaguely refer to the fire as "an accident," be conciliatory & capitulating in his wording, and essentially give Monaco an "out" so they can let him come home?  Does he compromise and give them what they need to "save face" so he can receive a lesser sentence than life in prison?

 To me, it boils down to making the best of a really bad situation.  Monaco needs a scapegoat so they can retain their precious "tourist mecca" image; Lily is being typical Lily (read about her history); and Ted desperately wants to come home and put all this behind him. 

It's really easy for me to sit here and piously say, "If I were in that situation, I wouldn't budge an inch!", but then again, I'm not in that situation.  I'm sitting here fat and happy with my spouse and kids and watching the kids as they grow up. If I were in Ted Maher's situation, I honestly don't know what I'd do.

 


Heidi, this is your business, but if I were an attorney involved in this case, I would advise you to refrain from commenting on this particular issue.

Jalapeno, respectfully, you have to understand that these threads are monitored by Monaco. They're probably hitting refresh every 30 seconds on this one. :-)

She can't be answering those kinds of questions right now. I know she wants to, but if she's smart, she won't comment specifically on Ted's defense issues.


Why is there such a disconnect here? Why isn't Ted claiming his innocence? Nita's explaination is plausible, and if that's the argument we can leave it at that. I would only add that its just as plausible is that it might be true.

I've been trying to picture myself in that Monaco hell-hole, wondering just what I would do if I were in that situation. Even if I were completely innocent of doing anything wrong, would I continue to loudly & defiantly proclaim my innocence after being locked in a jail cell with no trial for over two and a half years? What kind of shape would I be in if I could only talk to my kids once a week on a stupid telephone? And if the judge ripped up my kids' mail in front of me? If my spouse had to work back-to-back doubles and sell the house just to keep groceries on the table for the kids? I can't even imagine it.



415 posted on 05/27/2002 8:44:39 PM PDT by Nita Nupress
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To: Registered;Buckeroo
Oh heck, I'm not shy. Come on in to the Ted Maher thread.....

LOL!!!

416 posted on 05/27/2002 8:51:07 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Nita Nupress
Jalapeno, respectfully, you have to understand that these threads are monitored by Monaco.

In my worldly travels of 30+ countries over the years, I've never ever had my passport confiscated or held for more than a few moments by the passport authorities or police. I am referring to Mrs. Maher's episode. I wonder what those scumbuckets in Monaco have to say about that?

417 posted on 05/27/2002 8:53:26 PM PDT by Fred Mertz
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To: Lancey Howard; Registered; +A Bert
You missed one. :-)
418 posted on 05/27/2002 8:53:35 PM PDT by Nita Nupress
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To: sinkspur
I'm still wondering why Ted set the wastebucket on fire in the first place...
419 posted on 05/27/2002 8:55:21 PM PDT by american colleen
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To: Fred Mertz
I wonder what those scumbuckets in Monaco have to say about that?

Absolutely nothing. The scumbuckets in banana republic Monaco hold all the cards here. They don't have to explain it.

420 posted on 05/27/2002 8:55:38 PM PDT by Nita Nupress
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