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The U.S. Gun Grab
Outdoor Life ^ | May 2002 | Frank Miniter

Posted on 05/23/2002 9:57:30 AM PDT by Osage Orange

The U.S. Gun Grab

by Frank Miniter

You won't believe who has lost their right to own firearms.

You might think only murderers and rapists get their firearms taken away. Well, think again. Here are just a few things that could lead to the confiscation of your deer rifle: drag racing in Pennsylvania (it’s a felony in the Keystone State), becoming a fugitive from justice (not showing up for traffic court counts), having a protection order placed against you (a shoving match with your neighbor can result in one of these) and getting convicted in any court of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence (a fist fight with your brother qualifies).

Basically, if you plead guilty to or are convicted of any federal law that can be punished by one year or more in jail, your state has the right to confiscate your .30/06. Likewise, if you plead guilty or are convicted of a state misdemeanor that is punishable by two years in prison, the state can take your Winchester.

Still feel invulnerable? So did Donald G. Arnold, a private investigator who was named a “citizen of the year” in Maryland in 2000 for his work helping the police to stop drug dealers in Baltimore. Arnold recently went to renew his carry permit in Maryland and was denied, because in 1969, after returning from Vietnam, he got into a scuffle with a college student who called him a “baby killer.” Arnold went to court without a lawyer and received a 60-day suspended sentence and unsupervised probation.

What Arnold didn’t know was that 30 years later the Maryland Attorney General would claim that a 1996 decision by the Maryland Court of Appeals allows the state to disqualify a person from possessing firearms based on the sentence he could have received. (At press time two separate bills designed to restore gun rights to people like Arnold were in committee in the Maryland House of Delegates.)

In another case, Thomas Lamar Bean, a Texas resident and former gun dealer, was arrested in Mexico after a box of ammunition was found in his vehicle. Bean was convicted, spent time in a Mexican prison and then came home to find that he could not possess a firearm in the U.S. because of the felony conviction. When Bean petitioned to gain his rights back, he ran into a bureaucratic logjam: a decade ago Congress axed the budget for these requests. Bean, however, won a Texas lawsuit to force the ATF to renew his gun rights, but that didn’t end his battle. At press time the U.S. Supreme Court was due to decide whether federal judges can even restore gun rights.

So before you plead guilty to any criminal violation, get the facts. (In some states public exposure—tinkling on the rose bushes, for example—carries a one- to five-year sentence.) How vulnerable do you feel now?


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: banglist; guns
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1 posted on 05/23/2002 9:57:30 AM PDT by Osage Orange
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2 posted on 05/23/2002 9:58:11 AM PDT by Joe Brower
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To: Joe Brower
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3 posted on 05/23/2002 10:03:51 AM PDT by Ciexyz
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To: Osage Orange
Well so, we've always known that the government wants to disarm ordinary citizens! Suggestion: ignore their damn gun laws!
4 posted on 05/23/2002 10:06:26 AM PDT by claptrap
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To: Osage Orange
You might think only murderers and rapists get their firearms taken away. Well, think again. Here are just a few things that could lead to the confiscation of your deer rifle: drag racing in Pennsylvania (it’s a felony in the Keystone State), becoming a fugitive from justice (not showing up for traffic court counts), having a protection order placed against you (a shoving match with your neighbor can result in one of these) and getting convicted in any court of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence (a fist fight with your brother qualifies).

Did Outdoor Life just figure this out?

That is why I can't support NRAs cheerleading of Project Exile or the "We need to enforce existing laws" mantra. Perhaps Emerson will get some of this mess cleaned up.

5 posted on 05/23/2002 10:14:05 AM PDT by MileHi
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To: Osage Orange
Sorry, but I've got no sympathy for drag racers (unless on private property, which is rarely the case, any I'm sure doesn't qualify as a felony in PA). Drag racing kills people on a regular basis, and often the people killed aren't the participants, but people who just happened to be nearby. Anyone who goes around endangering other people's lives in order to engage in something as stupid and pointless as drag racing definitely shouldn't have guns.
6 posted on 05/23/2002 10:16:48 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: GovernmentShrinker
Agree. An 11 year old was killed in a Drag Race here yesterday. Very sad.
7 posted on 05/23/2002 10:21:34 AM PDT by Jack Black
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GovernmentShrinker said: "Anyone who goes around endangering other people's lives in order to engage in something as stupid and pointless as drag racing definitely shouldn't have guns."

Or knives. Or bats. Or freedom. Until they have paid their debt to society, at which time their rights should be restored. If they transgress again, then the punishment should be multiplied.

In any case, my right to keep and bear arms should not be infringed in the slightest degree because someone else breaks the law.

8 posted on 05/23/2002 10:24:17 AM PDT by William Tell
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To: William Tell
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9 posted on 05/23/2002 10:29:05 AM PDT by Violette
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To: Osage Orange
Well this situation may start reversing itself in the near future. Wait and see how Ashcroft's new position on the Second Amendment shakes out!
10 posted on 05/23/2002 10:29:25 AM PDT by Destructor
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To: Osage Orange
Come to Texas. We'll take you.
11 posted on 05/23/2002 10:31:31 AM PDT by Lonman219
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To: Lonman219
Yep! Concealed carry works, Pardner.
12 posted on 05/23/2002 10:33:36 AM PDT by RISU
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To: Destructor
Wait and see how Ashcroft's new position on the Second Amendment shakes out!

LOL - right. You didn't read the fine print in the memo which mentioned that the government reserves the right to decide which guns are "suitable for criminal use" and to ban their ownership. Ummm, just which guns would that be?

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13 posted on 05/23/2002 10:39:01 AM PDT by Jefferson Adams
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To: GovernmentShrinker;Jack Black
Anyone who goes around endangering other people's lives in order to engage in something as stupid and pointless as drag racing definitely shouldn't have guns.

That's because you're an elitist who wants to make it up as we go along rather than refer to the constitution. You also have not the slightest grasp on the concept of human rights. All gun grabbers use the same idiot-logic. "If someone does something I think is bad, let's take that bad person's guns away".

Have you, "government shrinker" done any bad or stupid things in your life? Good, let's permanently take your right to protect your family away.

Yeah, let's add "drag racing" to the long list of deeds that will make people gun criminals. This way somebody who was caught drag racing on some Georgia backroad when he was 17 can have his family slaughtered by criminals when he's 37.

Can you people do me a favor and use your effen head before you start pecking away at the keyboard?

14 posted on 05/23/2002 10:50:09 AM PDT by AAABEST
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To: Osage Orange
This amounts to "constructive infringement" or "constructive confiscation" and is the reason that I feel that if a person is not in jail he should be allowed full 2nd Amendment rights. Period. If you can't trust him with a gun, don't let him out, because if he has criminal intent and wants a gun he will get one anyway. The ruse of "keeping guns out of the hands of convicted felons" has been the major gateway to the elimination of our natural right to keep and bear.
15 posted on 05/23/2002 11:13:10 AM PDT by Liberty Ship
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To: William Tell
I didn't express any support for your RKBA being infringed on account of someone else's actions. But I disagree that everyone who isn't locked up should be free to legally own guns. There are lots of mentally unstable and incompetent people who should be prohibited from owning or possessing firearms (and the Founding Fathers who drafted and ratified the 2nd Amendment were clear on this point as well), and drag racing is a sign of mental instability/incompetence. If it were up to me, though, certain crimes likes drag racing wouldn't subject offenders to lifelong firearms bans -- 20 years or so should do it -- time enough for the testosterone levels to subside, and some perspective on the value and fragility of life to develop.
16 posted on 05/23/2002 11:23:31 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: AAABEST
I'm no more an elitist than the "founding fathers", some of whom specifically listed felons as a class of persons who could properly be prohibited from keeping and bearing arms. Just because some stupid young men think drag racing is fun doesn't change the fact that it is extremely dangerous, often killing people who did not choose to participate in it, and is thus quite reasonably classified as a felony. If you want to retain the right to protect your own and your family's lives, then don't take stupid and illegal risks with other people's lives. People who have proven themselves willing to take stupid and illegal risks with other people's lives are not fit to carry a firearm. Sooner or later most of them do something stupid and illegal with it, and provide the gun-grabbers with another round of ammo to use on all of us.
17 posted on 05/23/2002 12:02:01 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: claptrap
Suggestion: Ignore their damn gun laws!

So long as Americans can be convinced that they need to apply for a privilege to exercise a right they can expect to be denied their rights.

Boonie Rat

MACV SOCOM, PhuBai/Hue '65-'66

18 posted on 05/23/2002 12:03:41 PM PDT by Boonie Rat
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To: AAABEST
I agree that drag racing on public streets is very dangerous and probably should be a felony.

Do you think ex-felons should be able to own guns. There is not mention of "felony convictions" in the Second Ammendment so I guess that means yes. Courts have ruled this is a reasonable limitation. But then they say that about outright handgun bans to in some states. What is your opinion?

19 posted on 05/23/2002 12:11:23 PM PDT by Jack Black
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To: GovernmentShrinker
"drag racing is a sign of mental instability/incompetence."

I would add "when conducted on public roads". I have no problem with NHRA meets, salt flat timing runs, sand drags, etc.

20 posted on 05/23/2002 12:14:22 PM PDT by Jack Black
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