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Could the South Have Won?
NY Books ^ | June 2002 ed. | James M. McPherson

Posted on 05/23/2002 8:52:25 AM PDT by stainlessbanner


The New York Review of Books
June 13, 2002

Review

Could the South Have Won?

By James M. McPherson

Look Away! A History of the Confederate States of America

by William C. Davis

The South vs. the South: How Anti-Confederate Southerners Shaped the Course of the Civil War

by William W. Freehling

Lee and His Army in Confederate History

by Gary W. Gallagher

The War Hits Home: The Civil War in Southeastern Virginia
by Brian Steel Wills

The field of Civil War history has produced more interpretative disputes than most historical events. Next to debates about the causes of the war, arguments about why the North won, or why the Confederacy lost (the difference in phraseology is significant), have generated some of the most heated but also most enlightening recent scholarship. The titles of four books reveal just some of the central themes of this argument: Why the North Won the Civil War (1960); How the North Won (1983); Why the South Lost the Civil War (1986); Why the Confederacy Lost (1992).

Answers to these why and how questions fall into two general categories: external and internal. Exter-nal interpretations usually phrase the question as Why did the North win? They focus on a comparison of Northern and Southern population, resources, economic capacity, leadership, or strategy, and conclude that Northern superiority in one or more of these explains Union victory. Internal explanations tend to ask, Why did the South lose? They focus mainly or entirely on the Confederacy and argue that internal divisions, dissensions, or inadequacies account for Confederate defeat.

The most durable interpretation is an external one. It was offered by General Robert E. Lee himself in a farewell address to his army after its surrender at Appomattox: "The Army of Northern Virginia has been compelled to yield to overwhelming numbers and resources."[1] This explanation enabled Southern whites to preserve their pride, to reconcile defeat with their sense of honor, even to maintain faith in the nobility of their cause while admitting that it had been lost. The Confederacy, in other words, was compelled to surrender not because its soldiers fought badly, or lacked courage, or suffered from poor leadership, or because its cause was wrong, but simply because the enemy had more men and guns. The South did not lose; Confederates wore themselves out whipping the Yankees and collapsed from glorious exhaustion. This interpretation became the mainstay of what has been called the Myth of the Lost Cause, which has sustained Southern pride in their Confederate forebears to this day. As one Virginian expressed it:

They never whipped us, Sir, unless they were four to one. If we had had anything like a fair chance, or less disparity of numbers, we should have won our cause and established our independence.[2]

In one form or another, this explanation has won support from scholars of Northern as well as Southern birth. In 1960 the historian Richard Current provided a succinct version of it. After reviewing the statistics of the North's "overwhelming numbers and resources" two and a half times the South's population, three times its railroad capacity, nine times its industrial production, and so on Current concluded that "surely, in view of the disparity of resources, it would have taken a miracle...to enable the South to win. As usual, God was on the side of the heaviest battalions."[3]

In 1990 Shelby Foote expressed this thesis in his inimitable fashion. Noting that many aspects of life in the North went on much as usual during the Civil War, Foote told Ken Burns on camera in the PBS documentary The Civil War that "the North fought that war with one hand behind its back." If necessary "the North simply would have brought that other arm out from behind its back. I don't think the South ever had a chance to win that war."[4]


At first glance, Current's and Foote's statements seem plausible. But upon reflection, a good many historians have questioned their explicit assertions that overwhelming numbers and resources made Northern victory inevitable. If that is true, the Confederate leaders who took their people to war in 1861 were guilty of criminal folly or colossal arrogance. They had read the census returns. They knew as much about the North's superiority in men, resources, and economic capacity as any modern historian. Yet they went to war confident of victory. Southern leaders were students of history. They could cite many examples of small nations that won or defended their independence against much more powerful enemies: Switzerland against the Hapsburg Empire; the Netherlands against Spain; Greece against the Ottomans. Their own ancestors had won independence from mighty Britain in 1783. The relative resources of the Confederacy vis-à-vis the Union in 1861 were greater than those of these other successful rebels.

The Confederacy waged a strategically defensive war to protect from conquest territory it already controlled and to preserve its armies from annihilation. To "win" that kind of war, the Confederacy did not need to invade and conquer the North or destroy its army and infrastructure; it needed only to hold out long enough to compel the North to the conclusion that the price of conquering the South and annihilating its armies was too great, as Britain had concluded with respect to the United States in 1781 or, for that matter, as the United States concluded with respect to Vietnam in 1972. Until 1865, cold-eyed military experts in Europe were almost unanimous in their conviction that Union armies could never conquer and subdue the 750,000 square miles of the Confederacy, as large as all of Western Europe. "No war of independence ever terminated unsuccessfully except where the disparity of force was far greater than it is in this case," pronounced the military analyst of the London Times in 1862. "Just as England during the revolution had to give up conquering the colonies so the North will have to give up conquering the South."[5]

Even after losing the war, many ex-Confederates stuck to this belief. General Joseph E. Johnston, one of the highest-ranking Confederate officers, insisted in 1874 that the Southern people had not been "guilty of the high crime of undertaking a war without the means of waging it successfully."[6] A decade later General Pierre G.T. Beauregard, who ranked just below Johnston, made the same point: "No people ever warred for independence with more relative advantages than the Confederates."[7]


If so, why did they lose the war? In thinly veiled terms, Johnston and Beauregard blamed the inept leadership of Jefferson Davis. That harried gentleman responded in kind; as far as he was concerned, the erratic and inadequate generalship of Beauregard and especially Johnston was responsible for Confederate defeat. In the eyes of many contemporaries and historians there was plenty of blame to go around. William C. Davis's Look Away! is the most recent "internal" study of the Confederacy that, by implication at least, attributes Confederate defeat to poor leadership at several levels, both military and civilian, as well as factionalism, dissension, and bickering between men with outsize egos and thin skins. In this version of Confederate history, only Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson remain unstained.

For any believer in the Myth of the Lost Cause, any admirer of heroic Confederate resistance to overwhelming odds, the story told by Davis (no relation to the Confederate president) makes depressing reading. It is a story of conflicts not on the battlefields of Manassas or Shiloh or Gettysburg or Chickamauga or the Wilderness they are here, but offstage, as it were but conflicts between state governors and the Confederate government in Richmond, between quarreling Cabinet officers, between Jefferson Davis and prominent generals or senators or newspaper editors and even his vice-president, Alexander Stephens. Davis chronicles different examples of internal breakdown under the stresses not only of enemy invasion but also of slave defections to the Yankees, of Unionist disloyalty in the upcountry, particularly in such states as Tennessee, of galloping inflation and the inability of an unbalanced agricultural society under siege to control it, of shortages and hunger and a growing bitterness and alienation among large elements of the population.

These problems seemed more than sufficient to ensure Confederate failure, but they were greatly exacerbated by the jealousies and rivalries of Confederate politicians, which remain Davis's principal focus. He does not explicitly address the question of why the Confederacy lost, but his implicit answer lies in the assertion that "the fundamental flaw in too many of the big men of the Confederacy... [was] 'big-man-me-ism.'"

There are, however, two problems with this interpretation. In two senses it is too "internal." First, by concentrating only on the Confederacy it tends to leave the reader with the impression that only the Confederacy suffered from these corrosive rivalries, jealousies, and dissensions. But a history of the North during the Civil War would reveal similar problems, mitigated only by Lincoln's skill in holding together a diverse coalition of Republicans and War Democrats, Yankees and border states, abolitionists and slaveholders which perhaps suggests that Lincoln was the principal reason for Union victory. In any event, Look Away! is also too "internal" because the author is too deeply dependent on his sources. It is the nature of newspaper editorials, private correspondence, congressional debates, partisan speeches, and the like to emphasize conflict, criticism, argument, complaint. It is the squeaky wheel that squeaks. The historian needs to step back and gain some perspective on these sources, to recognize that the well-greased wheel that turns smoothly also turns quietly, leaving less evidence of its existence available to the historian.

Look Away! falls within one tradition of internal explanations for Confederate defeat. More prevalent, especially in recent years, have been studies that emphasize divisions and conflicts of race, class, and even gender in the South. Two fifths of the Confederate population were slaves, and two thirds of the whites did not belong to slaveholding families. What stake did they have in an independent Confederate nation whose original raison d'être was the protection of slavery? Not much stake at all, according to many historians, especially for the slaves and, as the war took an increasing toll on non-slaveholding white families, very little stake for them either. Even among slaveholding families, the women who willingly subscribed to an ethic of sacrifice in the war's early years became disillusioned as the lengthening war robbed them of husbands, sons, lovers, and brothers. Many white women turned against the war and spread this disaffection among their menfolk in the army; in the end, according to Drew Gilpin Faust, "it may well have been because of its women that the South lost the Civil War."[8]


If all this is true if the slaves and some nonslaveholding whites opposed the Confederate war effort from the outset and others including women of slaveholding families eventually turned against it, one need look no further to explain Confederate defeat. In The South vs. the South, however, William W. Freehling does not go this far. He says almost nothing about women as a separate category, and he acknowledges that many nonslaveholding whites had a racial, cultural, and even economic stake in the preservation of slavery and remained loyal Confederates to the end. But he maintains that, properly defined, half of all Southerners opposed the Confederacy and that this fact provides a sufficient explanation for Confederate failure.

Freehling defines the South as all fifteen slave states and Southerners as all people slave as well as free who lived in those states. This distinction between "the South" and the eleven slave states that formed the Confederacy is important but too often disregarded by those who casually conflate the South and the Confederacy. Admittedly, some 90,000 white men from the four Union slave states (Kentucky, Missouri, Maryland, and Delaware) fought for the Confederacy, but this number was offset by a similar number of whites from Confederate states (chiefly Tennessee and the part of Virginia that became West Virginia) who fought for the Union.

But Freehling's central thesis that "white Confederates were only half the Southerners" raises problems. This arithmetic works only if virtually all black Southerners are counted against the Confederacy. At times Freehling seems to argue that they should be so counted. At other times he is more cautious, maintaining that "the vast majority" of Southern blacks "either opposed the rebel cause or cared not whether it lived or died." Freehling does not make clear how important he considers that qualifying "or cared not." In any event, let us assume that all three million slaves who remained in the Confederacy (as well as the one million in the border states and in conquered Confederate regions) sympathized with the Union cause that would bring them freedom. Nevertheless, their unwilling labor as slaves was crucial to the Confederate economy and war effort, just as their unwilling labor and that of their forebears had been crucial to building the antebellum Southern economy. These Confederate slaves worked less efficiently than before the war because so many masters and overseers were absent at the front. Unwilling or not, however, they must be counted on the Confederate side of the equation, which significantly alters Freehling's 50/50 split of pro- and anti-Confederates in the South to something like 75/25.

Freehling draws on previous scholarship to offer a succinct narrative of the political and military course of the war, organized around Lincoln's slow but inexorable steps toward emancipation, "hard war," and the eventual mobilization of 300,000 black laborers and soldiers to work and fight for the Union. This narrative is marred by several errors, including the repeated confusion of General Charles F. Smith with General William F. "Baldy" Smith, the conflation of combat casualties with combat mortality, the mislabeling of a photograph of Confederate trenches at Fredericksburg as Petersburg, and the acceptance at face value of Alexander Stephens's absurd claim, made five years after Lincoln's death, that the Union president had urged him in 1865 to persuade Southern states to ratify the Thirteenth Amendment "prospectively," thereby delaying the abolition of slavery five years. Nevertheless, Freehling has made a strong case for the vital contribution of the two million whites and one million blacks in the South who definitely did support the Union cause. Without them, "the North" could not have prevailed, as Lincoln readily acknowledged.


Freehling does not take a clear stand on the question of whether Union victory was inevitable. At times he seems to imply that it was, because the half of all Southerners whom he claims supported the Union (actively or passively) doomed the Confederacy. But at other times he suggests that this support was contingent on the outcome of military campaigns and political decisions. No such ambiguity characterizes the essays in Gary Gallagher's Lee and His Army in Confederate History. In this book and in his earlier The Confederate War, Gallagher has argued forcefully and convincingly that Confederate nationalism bound most Southern whites together in determined support for the Confederate cause, that the brilliant though costly victories of Robert E. Lee's Army of Northern Virginia reinforced this determination, and that morale even in the face of defeat and the destruction of resources in 1864 1865 remained high until almost the end.

Gallagher does not slight the problems of slave defections to the Yankees, class tensions among whites, personal rivalries and jealousies among Confederate leaders, and other internal divisions that have occupied historians who see these problems as preordaining defeat. But he emphasizes the degree of white unity and strength of purpose despite these faultlines. Plenty of evidence exists to support this emphasis. A Union officer who was captured at the Battle of Atlanta on July 22, 1864, and spent the rest of the war in Southern prisons wrote in his diary on October 4 that from what he had seen in the South "the End of the War...is some time hence as the Idea of the Rebs giving up until they are completely subdued is all Moonshine they submit to privatations that would not be believed unless seen."[9]

"Until they are completely subdued." That point came in April 1865, when the large and well-equipped Union armies finally brought the starving, barefoot, and decimated ranks of Confederates to bay. Gallagher revives the overwhelming numbers and resources explanation for Confederate defeat, shorn of its false aura of inevitability. Numbers and resources do not prevail in war without the will and skill to use them. The Northern will wavered several times, most notably in response to Lee's victories in the summer of 1862 and winter spring of 1863 and the success of Lee's resistance to Grant's offensives in the spring and summer of 1864. Yet Union leaders and armies were learning the skills needed to win, and each time the Confederacy seemed on the edge of triumph, Northern victories blunted the Southern momentum: at Sharpsburg, Maryland, and Perryville, Kentucky, in the fall of 1862; at Gettysburg and Vicksburg in July 1863; and at Atlanta and in Virginia's Shenandoah Valley in September 1864. Better than any other historian of the Confederacy, Gallagher understands the importance of these contingent turning points that eventually made it possible for superior numbers and resources to prevail. He understands as well that the Confederate story cannot be written except in counterpoint with the Union story, and that because of the multiple contingencies in these stories, Northern victory was anything but inevitable.


Much of the best scholarship on the Civil War during the past decade has concentrated on the local or regional impact of the war. A fine example is Brian Steel Wills's The War Hits Home, a fascinating account of the home front and battle front in southeastern Virginia, especially the town of Suffolk and its hinterland just inland from Norfolk. No great battles took place here, but there was plenty of skirmishing and raids by combatants on both sides. Confederates controlled this region until May 1862, when they were compelled to pull back their defenses to Richmond. Union forces occupied Suffolk for the next year, staving off a halfhearted Confederate effort to recapture it in the spring of 1863. The Yankees subsequently fell back to a more defensible line nearer Norfolk, leaving the Suffolk region a sort of no man's land subject to raids and plundering by the cavalry of both armies.

Through it all most white inhabitants remained committed Confederates, while many of the slaves who were not removed by their owners to safer territory absconded to the Yankees, adding their weight to the Union side of the scales in the balance of power discussed by Freehling. White men from this region fought in several of Lee's regiments, suffering casualties that left many a household bereft of sons, husbands, fathers. Yet their Confederate loyalties scarcely wavered.

Northern occupation forces at first tried a policy of conciliation, hoping to win the Southern whites back to the Union. When this failed, they moved toward a harsher policy here as they did elsewhere, confiscating the property and liberating the slaves of people they now perceived as enemies to be crushed rather than deluded victims of secession conspirators to be converted.

Wills does not make a big point of it, but his findings stand "in sharp rebuttal" to the arguments of historians who portray a weak or divided white commitment to the Confederate cause as the reason for defeat. "These people sought to secure victory until there was no victory left to win." In the end the North did have greater numbers and resources, wielded with a skill and determination that by 1864 1865 matched the Confederacy's skills and determination; and these explain why the North won the Civil War.

Notes

[1] The Wartime Papers of R.E. Lee, edited by Clifford Dowdey and Louis H. Manarin (Little, Brown, 1961), p. 934.

[2] Quoted in Why the North Won the Civil War, edited by David Donald (Louisiana State University Press, 1960), p. ix.

[3] Richard N. Current, "God and the Strongest Battalions," in Why the North Won the Civil War, p. 22.

[4] "Men at War: An Interview with Shelby Foote," in Geoffrey C. Ward with Ric Burns and Ken Burns, The Civil War (Knopf, 1990), p. 272.

[5] London Times, August 29, 1862.

[6] Joseph E. Johnston, Narrative of Military Operations (Appleton, 1874), p. 421.

[7] Pierre G.T. Beauregard, "The First Battle of Bull Run," in Battles and Leaders of the Civil War, 4 volumes, edited by Robert U. Johnson and Clarence C. Buel (Century, 1887), Vol. 1, p. 222.

[8] Drew Gilpin Faust, "Altars of Sacrifice: Confederate Women and the Narratives of War," The Journal of American History, Vol. 76, No. 4 (March 1990), p. 1228.

[9] "The Civil War Diary of Colonel John Henry Smith," edited by David M. Smith, Iowa Journal of History, Vol. 47 (April 1949), p. 164.



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To: varina davis
I may take your advice and repair to the verandah --- if not with a mint julep, then perhaps a frozen Margarita and a well worn copy of "The South Was Right."

Enjoy them both ma'am, TSWR is my favorite.

641 posted on 05/29/2002 8:11:56 AM PDT by 4CJ
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To: Frumious Bandersnatch
So I guess the question that the Northern side has to answer is why they wanted to keep the Union together at all costs. OTOH, the question that the south has to answer is why did they want to remain slavers at all costs. On the whole, I'd rather have to answer the first question...

Good post. Someone knows their history. I'd like to know if you have any thoughts on this question you posed.

642 posted on 05/29/2002 8:27:00 AM PDT by Huck
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
Enjoy them both ma'am, TSWR is my favorite.

You might also enjoy this tome, now on e-bay (I'm not the seller): BOWERS, CLAUDE G. The Tragic Era: The Revolution After Lincoln The Riverside Press, Cambridge, Mass.: The Literary Guild of America, 1929 Cloth. No Jacket. First Edition. Spinelettering illegible, spine cloth has a small tear. Twelve years of carpet-baggers, political abuse, hypocrisy and scandal. The true story of the twelve tragic years that followed the death of Lincoln. They were years of revolutionary turmoil, w/the elemental passions predominant, & w/broken bones & bloody noses among the fighting factionalists. The prevailing note was one of tragedy, though, as we shall see, there was an abundance of comedy, & not a little of farce. Never have American public men in responsible positions, directing the destiny of the Nation, been so brutal, hypocritical, & corrupt.., 567 pgs.

"War For What" is also a great read.

643 posted on 05/29/2002 8:31:51 AM PDT by varina davis
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To: Huck
Good post. Someone knows their history. I'd like to know if you have any thoughts on this question you posed.

Well article VI Clause 2 of the Constitution says:
"This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby; any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding."

So we see from this that the U.S. Constitution takes precedence over any laws and state constitutions.  Furthermore, local judges are bound to obey the U.S. Constitution.

Given this alone, it was patently illegal for at least 12 of the 13 southern states to secede.  Tennessee was rather more clever about it than the others.  She did not secede from the Union, but rather dissolved her own government, the theory being that since there was now no Tennessee government, any obligations to the U.S. were null and void.  The problem with this line of thinking was that if this obligation was null and void, then all contracts and debts contracted by the state and the state's citizens were also null and void.  But the state never reneged on previous obligations, so their contention, while clever, was shaky at best.  Still, it was the best attempt of any of the southern states to get around the fact that secession was illegal.  I should note here that it was also illegal for the 13 colonies to secede from Britain - and it took 2 wars before Britain recognized the legality of the U.S.' secession.

I've heard that several state constitutions reserved the right to secede (I don't know much about this part), but by ratifying the U.S. Constitution, they conceded that all local laws took second place to the Constitution.  Thus they are presented with a conundrum.  Even if they are allowed to secede, they must obey the Constitution, which means they cannot secede.  Unlike southern apologists (Calhoun especially), Madison felt that secession was not something which could be done at will by a whim of the majority of each state.
644 posted on 05/29/2002 9:00:20 AM PDT by Frumious Bandersnatch
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To: Quix
Could the South have won?

[Born a Texan; butting in where I probably oughtn't; and being cheekier than I should be at the end of a teaching week- - - ]

Does anyone north of lower-hoootn-hollllar really care?

A few of us are trying to become at least slightly addicted to LIVING IN THE PRESENT.

Relax Quix. It's a good way to learn some history.

Rustbucket, PhD, 6th generation Texan

645 posted on 05/29/2002 9:15:43 AM PDT by rustbucket
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To: lentulusgracchus
He can also go to Cuba, it's closer and the food wouldn't be quite as alien, just much scarcer.
646 posted on 05/29/2002 9:17:25 AM PDT by Twodees
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To: WhiskeyPapa;non-sequitur; x; ditto; huck; rdf
If we get some business cards, they should say "Walt and Company."

Only if we can incorporate, like good Whigs. And maybe get a grant or two.

647 posted on 05/29/2002 9:24:34 AM PDT by davidjquackenbush
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To: Frumious Bandersnatch
You're right about the supremacy clause. Now, get out your copy of the US Constitution and find the clause which prohibits secession. That's all you have to do to prove your point. If it's there in the Constitution, then every state in the union is bound to it, irrevocably by virtue of the clause you cited. Saying that secession is patently illegal is easy. Citing the article, section and clause in the Constitution which prohibits secession isn't as easy.

I have been discussing this issue online since '95 and in other venues since '73. In all that time, nobody has ever cited the relevant clause in the Constitution which backs up the absurd claim that secession is prohibited by the Constitution. Maybe you'll be the first. Go ahead. I'm waiting.

648 posted on 05/29/2002 9:26:06 AM PDT by Twodees
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To: lentulusgracchus
But he never waged war on his own, in order to receive high rank from a constitutional adventurer the way Admiral Farragut did, or some other prominent Union generals we could talk about.

Demuring is one thing. Accusing is another and in your above reply you accused Farragut and others of remaining with the Union solely for promotion, when, in fact, all these men could have received equivilent or higher positions down south, serving a man with less respect for constitutional law than you accuse Lincoln of having. They followed a higher loyalty, one which I have no doubt George Washington would have approved of. But instead of respecting their decision you find some ulterior motive for it. And then you have the gall to take offense when someone does that you your marble saint.

649 posted on 05/29/2002 9:30:36 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: davidjquackenbush
[And maybe get a grant or two]

Couldn't live without that public teat, could you, quackenbush?

650 posted on 05/29/2002 9:31:36 AM PDT by Twodees
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To: varina davis
Thank you much Ms. Davis - I appreciate the information, and the recommendations.
651 posted on 05/29/2002 9:35:48 AM PDT by 4CJ
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To: Aurelius
On the other hand combatting a rebellion is a noble cause in and of itself.
652 posted on 05/29/2002 9:36:39 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Twodees
If the U.S. Constitution overrides any laws made by state governments how can they legally secede?  Nowhere is secession a right reserved to the states (not even the 10th amendment).

Look at it logically.  If they are bound by the Constitution, then they must accept the government as defined by the Constitution.  That alone make secession illegal.  By trying to deny the federally elected officials their constitutionally mandated oversight, they have overridden the supremacy clause.  Ergo secession is illegal

Note that I'm addressing only the legality of secession.  I'm saying nothing about the necessity of it.  After all, while it was illegal for the 13 colonies to secede from Britain, it was necessary.
653 posted on 05/29/2002 9:42:10 AM PDT by Frumious Bandersnatch
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To: Non-Sequitur
"On the other hand combatting a rebellion is a noble cause in and of itself."

Were the actions of the British army in 1776 noble?

654 posted on 05/29/2002 9:45:05 AM PDT by Aurelius
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To: Aurelius
Yes. They were following the orders of the crown trying to quell the American rebellion. The Americans did not pretend that their actions were legal and therefore were not surprised when they had to fight for their freedom. That is one difference between the founders of the United States and the founders of the confederacy. Another difference is that the confederates lost.
655 posted on 05/29/2002 9:51:13 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: rustbucket
FAIR ENOUGH!

6TH GENERATION TEXAN.

HHHHHMMMMMMM [in good humor]

Does that make you a cross between an armadillo and a sidewinder or an armadillo and a very early wetback or an armadillo and a horned toad . . . or???

656 posted on 05/29/2002 9:54:05 AM PDT by Quix
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To: lentulusgracchus
FREE the southland NOW!
657 posted on 05/29/2002 9:58:19 AM PDT by stand watie
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To: Frumious Bandersnatch
So I guess the question that the Northern side has to answer is why they wanted to keep the Union together at all costs.

Short answer --- Survival. They knew that and independent slave republic with a 1000 mile border would not likely remain within those borders for long. Slavery could only remain a profitable endevour if there were ample territory to expand in order to absorb the rapidly growing population of slaves and to replenish the worn-out soil that resulted from intensive cash-crop agriculture. The slave economy was similar to a Ponzi scheme --- it could flourish only with every increasing rates of input in the form of new lands.

OTOH, the question that the south has to answer is why did they want to remain slavers at all costs.

See the above.

658 posted on 05/29/2002 10:12:17 AM PDT by Ditto
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To: Non-Sequitur
"On the other hand combatting a rebellion is a noble cause in and of itself."

I find nothing noble or just in the Union cause.

659 posted on 05/29/2002 10:15:47 AM PDT by Aurelius
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To: Ditto
Very good.  I believe that the south had intentions of including much of the western hemisphere in their new nation.  I also believe that it ultimately wouldn't have worked, and the Civil War would have been fought all over again a generation later.
660 posted on 05/29/2002 10:21:07 AM PDT by Frumious Bandersnatch
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