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The Bible and the stripper
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 05/23/2002 | Debra Saunders

Posted on 05/23/2002 7:12:13 AM PDT by Pokey78

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:40:19 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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1 posted on 05/23/2002 7:12:13 AM PDT by Pokey78
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To: hobbes1; one_particular_harbour; dubyaismypresident; hemingway's ghost
a strippymom bump to you.
2 posted on 05/23/2002 7:16:25 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: Pokey78
You're lying to people about liking them.

The customer isn't always right??????

3 posted on 05/23/2002 7:24:50 AM PDT by jlogajan
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To: Pokey78
Bingo. We had to sign those contracts too. She lied, she is teaching her kid the opposite of what she claims she wants her kid taught. Of what use is sending your kid to a Christian school if you are teaching her it doesn't matter how you live? She would be better off in *gasp* public school with her mom doing damage control daily.
4 posted on 05/23/2002 7:26:05 AM PDT by Terriergal
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To: jlogajan
In my experience in retail the customer is quite often wrong. But we have to lie and agree with them. :-)
5 posted on 05/23/2002 7:27:16 AM PDT by Terriergal
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To: Pokey78
Was thinking... would it work to have a law that is against intentionally sexually stimulating/arousing someone other than your SO or mate...? Wouldn't that cover a lot of territory that needs covered (pun unintentional).
6 posted on 05/23/2002 7:28:59 AM PDT by Terriergal
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To: xsmommy
"It should be noted, however, that single-mother Christina Silvas, 24, had signed an agreement to abide by the church's philosophy, which she broke. "

Seems to me that the pivotal point here is that the mother entered into an agreement which she then broke.

OTOH, I would never enter into a agreement for services that gave another party some control over how I lived my life. If that's what it takes to procure your service, I will find somewhere else to do business.

7 posted on 05/23/2002 7:29:24 AM PDT by Kerberos
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To: Kerberos
and strippymom is perfectly free to do so. and so she should, if her job is what is of primary importance to her, as i think she has demonstrated, then i think she, by all means, should seek a school for her daughter that has no interest in her manner of employment.
8 posted on 05/23/2002 7:31:00 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: Pokey78
A very good column.

As to Ms. Silvas's claim regarding what the Bible teaches, I can only find one that seems to apply: "And if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to be thrown into the sea with a large millstone tied around his neck. (Mark 9:42)

10 posted on 05/23/2002 7:34:16 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: Terriergal
would it work to have a law that is against intentionally sexually stimulating/arousing someone other than your SO or mate...?

God lord, please tell us you're kidding . . .

11 posted on 05/23/2002 7:39:05 AM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
No I'm not. I'm brainstorming.
12 posted on 05/23/2002 7:40:33 AM PDT by Terriergal
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To: xsmommy
"by all means, should seek a school for her daughter that has no interest in her manner of employment"

Exactly, I have never found it to be a good idea to become engaged with organizations who see their primary function as dictating to others as to how they should live their lives.

13 posted on 05/23/2002 7:41:14 AM PDT by Kerberos
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To: Thorn11cav
I find this a perfect example of organized religion today...selective obedience and interpetation. Their hearts are as dark as their actions.

What an ironic statement, seeing as how your own interpretation is so very selective.

Unless you're really not paying attention, this sort of thing involves more than the stripper, her child, and the pastor.

Ms. Silva makes her living by having dollars stuffed in her shorts. It was obviously a known fact, and it affects the other parents and kids as well -- parents and kids who are at the school, BTW, to get away from the very sort of thing that Ms. Silvas represents.

A church is at least as concerned about the community of believers as it is about the individual members of that community.

It is difficult to believe that Ms. Silvas was anything other than a disruption to the community. Speaking as a male, I can verify that if I were dropping my kids off at school, the sight of a lovely, shapely young woman who makes money showing off her body would turn my thoughts to something other than my kids' homework. Not exactly the sort of influence one wants to have in a community devoted to supporting families.

14 posted on 05/23/2002 7:45:21 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: Thorn11cav
I find this a perfect example of organized religion today...selective obedience and interpetation. Their hearts are as dark as their actions.

That's way too broad a brush, sir. There are tremendous variations between denominations and even individual churches within any denomination. Not all members - or Pastors - leave their prejudices or "dark sides" at the door. We all have "feet of clay" but strive to be better and more like Jesus - every day.

15 posted on 05/23/2002 7:47:05 AM PDT by toddst
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To: Pokey78

'Schoolgirl' - in a school of very hard knocks

STEPHANIE SALTER, SF EXAMINER COLUMNIST (mailto:ssalter@sfchronicle.com)

THE BRIGHT mid-day sun did not enhance the naughty school-girl masquerade she was offering for sale. Her sunken eyes were highlighted. So were the lines around her mouth and the small sores on her skinny forearms. Despite little white ankle socks and high heels, a short skirt and girlish blouse, she looked as if she were at least 50. Which means she is probably not yet 30. Being a street prostitute has a way of aging a woman, fast.

As I watched her - standing on a corner of South Van Ness Avenue, looking anxiously up and down the block for johns as well as cops - I remembered a story I'd read recently about a pair of "wild and crazy" Russians in San Francisco. Featured in The Examiner's popular column, "The Night Cabbie," the men from Moscow had flagged down a taxi and informed the driver that they wanted to go "where we can take a good look at the hookers."

Loaded with booze and cash, the men complained about the quality of San Francisco prostitutes.

"We want some pretty ones like the ones we have back in Moscow," said the more loquacious of the pair. They further amused the night cabbie by telling him about a friend of theirs who makes his living flying Americans to Moscow for "10-day blitzes with all the women they ever dreamed of."

I thought about the grim economic conditions that exist for millions of Russians these days, about the widespread unemployment, the rise in organized crime and the increased trafficking of women and girls for sex.

Funny how it always works: The meaner and dirtier the economic times, the prettier (and younger) are the females who turn to selling their bodies to live.

I thought, too, about a recent newsletter from the Rev. Glenda Hope, director of San Francisco Network Ministries and co-founder of SafeHouse for Women Leaving Prostitution. An extended-stay residential, rehab and life-skills facility for former prostitutes, the SafeHouse is 2 1/2 years old and one of only five such residential programs in the country.

"And with only 10 beds is the largest," wrote Hope. As for the makeup of the residents, all are recovering from alcohol or drug addiction and more than half are high school dropouts.

"At least 70 percent suffered long-term child abuse, including incest and child prostitution. Some manifest significant cognitive impairment caused in utero or by blows to the head."

Perhaps the most chilling statistic of all: "The average age for a female entering prostitution in the USA is 14." An ordained Presbyterian minister (and one-time Southern Baptist), Hope told me not long ago that people are always asking her why she now devotes so much of her ministry to prostitutes.

"They ask me, 'What is it about these women?' Well, it's because I don't see them as criminals or moral outcasts. I see them as sisters," she said.

"And I see the situation they're in as an extension of the stereotyping and thoughtlessness that all women are subjected to, as a revelation of the worst of what a patriarchal culture has done to women and children."

In her work with SafeHouse, Hope frequently teams up with Norma Hotaling, a former prostitute who now directs an outreach and advocacy program called S.A.G.E., Standing Against Global Exploitation.

Hotaling has just secured a building that will serve as an emergency shelter for prostitutes who are literally fleeing for their lives - from violent pimps or customers. "It will be about three to five beds," she said. "But 20 would be more like it."

Watching the woman in the school-girl masquerade try to change her luck by crossing to a different corner, I wondered how many times she has been beaten up or cut with a knife by a pimp or a john. How old was she when she turned her first trick? How many years - or months - does she have left before her body or mind gives out?

I tried to imagine what the woman looks like in that pitiful outfit when the sun goes down and streetlights obscure all the lines, sores and hollow eyes.

Is she pretty enough for two drunken Russian tourists?


16 posted on 05/23/2002 7:47:45 AM PDT by ppaul
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To: Terriergal
They already do, it's called Islamic law. Burkas for everyone!!!!!!
17 posted on 05/23/2002 7:48:11 AM PDT by FreetheSouth!
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To: Terriergal
would it work to have a law that is against intentionally sexually stimulating/arousing someone other than your SO or mate

yea, what we need is *more* totally unenforceable laws...man I hope your comment was tongue-in-cheek.

The other problem, of course, is that the church elders might object to arousing your "significant other" prior to wedlock.

18 posted on 05/23/2002 7:48:57 AM PDT by dmz
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To: SoDak;Tennessee_Bob;tacticalogic;joathome;Dataman
This column supplies still more information I'd not seen reported elsewhere.

Dan

19 posted on 05/23/2002 7:50:27 AM PDT by BibChr
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To: dmz
yep. But they aren't the law. I don't know like I said I am just brainstorming.
20 posted on 05/23/2002 7:51:08 AM PDT by Terriergal
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