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INS Confirms 'Act of War' Committed at U.S. Mexican Border
The Sierra Times ^ | 05. 22. 02 at 12:27 Sierra Time | J.J. Johnson

Posted on 05/22/2002 1:26:22 PM PDT by archy

INS Confirms 'Act of War' Committed at U.S. Mexican Border

Report By J.J. Johnson
Published 05. 22. 02 at 12:27 Sierra TimeLatest Border Incursion

American Patrol Photo

Ajo, Arizona - The Immigration and Naturalization confirms A U.S. Border patrol Agent was fired upon Friday five miles inside the U.S. Border, increasing the calls for citizens to take direct action to halt what a U.S. Border Patrol agent called "an act of war." This is one of 21 border incursions that have taken place over the last year.

According to a U.S. Border Patrol Agent, the Tohono O'odham Police Department encountered a Mexican military incursion on Friday, May 17, 2002 at approximately 8:30 PM along the Santa Cruz trail inside the Papago Farms border patrol area, just south of Forest Road 21.

The unnamed agent spotted three Mexican soldiers in a Mexican Humvee on U.S. soil and was attempting to leave the area when the rear window of his vehicle was apparently shattered by gunfire. "The agent was leaving the area in an effort to avoid a confrontation" with the Mexicans, according to Lori Haley, and INS spokeswoman.

"I cannot in good conscience stand by and watch another incursion along our border take place," said U.S. Rep Tancredo (R-CO). "Unless we open our eyes and recognize that what's happening along the U.S. Mexico border is real, one of our guys is going to get killed.

The U.S. Border Patrol Agent, who wishes to remain anonymous, informed Rep. Tancredo during a phone conversation that approximately five miles north of the U.S./Mexico border, one the "GS-11" agents out of the Ajo border patrol station noticed a military helicopter flying overhead, heading south towards Mexico. Shortly thereafter, he came upon a humvee, which not only began to approach him, but to fire upon his vehicle. According to the agent's testimony, the vehicles rear window and back driver's side windows were destroyed. Fortunately, the agent was able to flee the incursion unharmed and concluded the conversation by stating, "As far as I am concerned, that [incursion] should be an act of war."

With the increase in hostilities now confirmed by the U.S. government, Sierra Times has learned that private citizens are making preparations to deal directly with such incursions in the future. Stay tuned.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: actofwar; aliens; arizona; armedmexicans; azatlan; border; borderpatrol; immigration; invasion; mexicanarmy; reconquista; shooting
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To: Rockpile
Was it that recent? I remember the story but not the year, I was begining to think I was going to have to pay a researcher, lol. I'll look in the achives for those dates, thanks for the help. I was thinking Marine Inspector might remember the details, because a story like that would have to make the rounds of border inforcement.
161 posted on 05/23/2002 5:34:08 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: Marine Inspector
Looking at the map, it seems that the Ajo area includes a Rez bordered by National Forest, with both having a border with Mexico, corect? Were those tribal police who had spotted the hummvee first, as far as you know?
162 posted on 05/23/2002 5:34:32 PM PDT by Twodees
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To: dr_who
Oh, I'm so sorry. I thought the subject of discussion was making war with Mexico.

Quit sniffin the gas, doc.

163 posted on 05/23/2002 5:46:37 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: MissAmericanPie
It seems like the fellow that was murdered by the Mexican shooting across the river at rafters was about ten years ago. I think the other murders were more recent.

A few months ago, some campers by the river had a rifle bullet hit by them while around a fire.

164 posted on 05/23/2002 5:47:40 PM PDT by Rockpile
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To: Twodees
I initially heard that the BP was responding to a tribal police officers sighting of the hummvee, but that has not been mentioned in any of the latest reports.

When I was down there, the BP did not spend allot of time on the reservation. They responded to sensor hits and calls from the tribe, but did not do much random patrolling. Most of the patrols were in National Park area and highway 85.

165 posted on 05/23/2002 6:57:51 PM PDT by Marine Inspector
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To: lowbridge
Thanks for the flag.

I wonder what the response of the federal gov't would have been if instead of a Mexican invader, it was a "right wing milita member" who fired at a federal vehicle.

All of us know the answer to that question.

166 posted on 05/23/2002 7:33:39 PM PDT by Mulder
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To: Marine Inspector
Something's nagging at the back of my mind about the fact that the Mexicans were using a rez for this incursion. Surely they couldn't think that any of the tribes in the Southwest would fail to alert US authorities to incursions on their reservations. It's more likely that they would know whether or not tribal police were stretched thin, also knowing that BP wouldn't routinely work the rez because the tribe is officially a nation and BP would stay off unless called. BIA police should probably be helping tribal police on border reservations like this.

Southwest indian tribes have no fondness for the Mexican government that I know of, and border tribes have been badly treated by rurales as a matter of routine, I've heard. I've never heard of Tohono O'odham before. Are they Papago?

167 posted on 05/23/2002 7:47:02 PM PDT by Twodees
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To: lowbridge;archy
One .40 cal pistol vs. multiple m-16's.

The best thing he could do was get distance between him and the hummvee.

There is a very fine line between bravery and stupidity. He did the right thing.

Take it from a Marine, who spent 12 years in the Infantry. You don't take a pistol to a rifle fight.

168 posted on 05/23/2002 7:49:10 PM PDT by Marine Inspector
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To: Rockpile
Yeah, there are certain area's of Big Bend you don't dare go into anymore. It seems to me, the Father and Toddler were about the first story, then more incidents began to be reported. I thought it was about 86, but I could very well be wrong.
169 posted on 05/23/2002 7:58:07 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: Twodees
The Tohono O'Odham were formerly known as the Papago. Their reservation is the second largest in the country, covering approximately 4,500 square miles, which is approximately the size of the state of Connecticut. A portion of the reservation extends into Mexico.

The reservation is well known for it drug and alien traffic. The tribal council and the BP do not see eye to eye, and I've heard many reports that the head families on the council are helping the smuggling of drugs and aliens.

Because the reservation extends into Mexico and has tribal members on it, I believe the tribal council will not complain about the Mexican military or Federal Police, as they do not wish those agencies to retaliate against their tribal members in Mexico.

When I was in Lukeville, we had many a problem with the tribal members smuggling other members across the border. We even tried to seize one of the tribal vehicles. That produced a phone call from the Governors office at about 1 AM. Needless to say, we did not try that again. I'm still missing part of my butt. LOL.

170 posted on 05/23/2002 8:04:58 PM PDT by Marine Inspector
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To: lowbridge; flamefront; Bushdude2000
Thanks for the ping, lowbridge. Thanks for post #142, flamefront.

Bd2000, if you're a member of the Savage nation (or, even if you're not), maybe you want to pass this article on to Savage. It might be something he'd wanna sink his teeth into. : )

Borders, Language, Culture

171 posted on 05/23/2002 8:12:12 PM PDT by American Preservative
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To: MissAmericanPie
BTW, if you ever get a chance to stay a couple of days in Ft. Davis, you will love it. It's about 25 miles from Marfa. You would not believe the billions of stars there on a clear desert night. Blue, violet, red, pink, yellow, white, green, it takes your breath away.
172 posted on 05/23/2002 8:12:45 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: Marine Inspector
Hmm, their rez is big allright and most of it is in Mexico. I just found a webpage for the Heard foundation which has some maps and other info. I knew some Pima a long time ago and was remembering what they said about Rurales being very hard on Papago who lived in both countries. It's been a long time since I thought about that and didn't know about their real name. The Pima I knew called the Papago their relatives, but I didn't know the reservations were separated like they are.

That being the case, a huge reservation which stretches over most of the Sonoran desert bordered by the three big rivers and most of it in Mexico, well, that rez would be a natural place for Mexican incursion. The tribal council would be more interested in protecting their own people from retribution by Mexican military or police than in providing info to the US officials. What a mess. That rez could be a flashpoint.

173 posted on 05/23/2002 8:20:23 PM PDT by Twodees
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Quit farting.
174 posted on 05/23/2002 8:57:34 PM PDT by dr_who
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To: Big Meanie
Yes, you're right. A phonograph. So I made a mistake. You got the point, didn't you?

Yes, I used to have a record collection, and I remember the eight track tape.

175 posted on 05/23/2002 9:58:57 PM PDT by FreedomFriend
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To: archy
bttt
176 posted on 05/23/2002 11:02:13 PM PDT by Phyto Chems
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To: dr_who;Joe Hadenuf
Quit farting.

He's not farting. That stench you detect is the load of sellout BS you're trying to push on this thread. Or is that RINO sh*t?

177 posted on 05/24/2002 8:46:12 AM PDT by 7.63Broom
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To: Frapster
there have been a lot of such incidents on the border in the last 7-8 years, it is for real.

The mexicans have repeatedly fired at the border patrol from south of the border using high powered rifles with scopes, that way they shoot from hundreds of yards away and nobody knows who did it. That's happened a bunch. The border patrol responded by not going to certain locations because it was dangerous.

So, this incident is really nothing new. It seems as though they're trying to intimidate the border patrol out of certain locations at certain times. This is completely normal. It is also completely normal for the americans to back down and let the drugs in.

Back in '96 when it first started happening the clinton admin even refused to increase the size of the border patrol even after congress put it in the budget for him to do so, thus requiring him to do it by law, he still refused, that's very unusual, but he got away with it for a while.

Border patrol agents and customs inspectors have each testified in court that they have been ordered by their superiors to simply let big trucks in knowing full well it was full of drugs.

What, were you born yesterday? The corruption, the intimidation is completely normal.

The cia issued 2 press releases, 1 in late '98 and 1 in early '99 saying that they'd been involved in smuggling drugs into the united statets since 1980. this is the type of a story that the media simply won't report. Why do you think the frustratted border patrol agent is on the phone to his congressman. He keeps it up and he'll be fired or killed.

In 1993 the US Congress and the White House agreed behind closed doors to cut funding immediately to the drug enforcement agency by 50%. It was against the previously approved budget to do so, but they did it without any vote even. The leaders of congress simply agreed with clinton and it was done. Within 4 weeks of clinton coming into office 50% of the 468 undercover drug agents who were actively trying to stop drugs from coming into our country were let go. They were pulled from their assignments in the field and fired. By 1996 drug use in america doubled over 1992 levels according to federal stats.

So, of course the mexicans fired on our people to intimidate them, our people got mad and were told by their superiors to back down so that the drugs can come in. This is completely normal.

In 1996 the congress restored funding to DEA completely, but clinton responded simply by re-deploying the agency so that 50% of its resources were spent trying to track drug smugglers inside the US rather than keeping them out. OF course we all know that was done purposely to sabotage the drug enforcement agency's effectiveness.

Neither the congress, nor bush, nor the media are even willing to talk about or think about this corruption that stares us in the face. Don't think it's not happening now because clinton is gone. Clinton was here because the corruption is so strong. If bush were to try to get rid of it, then the corruption would get rid of bush.

178 posted on 05/24/2002 9:58:47 PM PDT by Red Jones
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To: freeforall
You will have to refresh my memory. When and where was the Pig War.

The Pig War

179 posted on 05/25/2002 6:50:57 AM PDT by Politically Correct
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To: Politically Correct
Thanks for the info.
180 posted on 05/25/2002 11:37:21 AM PDT by freeforall
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