JOHN MAGAW SUPPORTS TERRORISM

Sierra Times ^ | Captain Dennis Jackson

[Sir Gawain]

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[Reagan Man]

John Magaw is bowing to the wishes of the terrorist organizations...

I don't believe Magaw is siding with the terrorists, but he sure does have his head up his butt on this issue.

[OWK]

I don't believe Magaw is siding with the terrorists...

He is certainly siding with the anti-Constitutional terrorists.

[Washington_minuteman]

"JOHN MAGAW SUPPORTS TERRORISM"

It's easy to see how the author of this piece could draw this conclusion. After all, he's talking about the former head of F-Troop, the US government's official terrorist organization.

[paddles]

`(a) ESTABLISHMENT- Not later than 90 days after the date of enactment of this Act, the Under Secretary of Transportation for Security shall establish a program to deputize qualified volunteer pilots of passenger aircraft as Federal law enforcement officers

"There is no guarantee, as Magaw claims, that a law enforcement officer will be on board a hijacked commercial airliner, or that it will prevent a future hijacking."

Message to Captain "Scoop" Jackson: Can't have it both ways, pal. By your own admission your program is only voluntary, thus there's no way YOU can guarantee that one of the flight crew will have a weapon.

[etcetera]

I've been following this "arm the pilots" subject for months now, and have yet to hear any good arguments as to why commercial airline pilots should not carry firearms.

All the arguments by gov't bureaucrats like Norm Mineta and John Magaw don't cut it. Anyone out there disagree?

[nunya bidness]

Lies, Inc.: Meet the New Magaw...

[Washington_minuteman]

Thanks for the link. I guess that because this guy's been promoted for his meritorious service by Bush, he's okay now.

I wonder of good old George Jr., looked into Magaw's eyes and saw a good man there, just like he did with Putin?

[Ohioan]

I wonder of good old George Jr., looked into Magaw's eyes and saw a good man there, just like he did with Putin?

I don't know about that. But I suggested in one of the other threads on this that George Washington wouldn't have trusted Magaw or any of the other dysrons in the Department of Transportation to even tether his horse. Those people have no concept as to how American Society is supposed to work. They may not support Terrorism, but they surely are not competent to have a say in how to deal with it.

William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site

[paddles]

I think the devil is in the details rather than it's concept. Just a couple of them:

1. The Airlines want any legislation authorizing pilots to carry firearms to absolve them of any liability. BTW, don't expect the unions to run to the front of the line to accept that risk either.

Note to interested airline pilots: You'll be on your own if you make a mistake.

2. Despite the fact that the pilots claim that 70% of them are "proficient" with handguns, this "proficiency" differs greatly. Generally speaking, Marines are very proficient with the Air Force and Navy pilots running a distant second. For the most part, a military pilot's level of proficiency is far below that of a law enforcement officer. Further, a law enforcement officer is trained to employ firearms in a completely different manner than a member of the armed forces. Thus, some formal, standardized syllabus will be required. At a minimum, attendance at the Federal Firearms Training Facility in Glynco, GA,--or something comparable--will be required. Who will pay for this?

I'm not necessarily opposed to the idea of airline pilots carrying firearms, and I'll stack my credentials as a supporter of our Second Amendment rights up against anybody's. But there are some real concerns with this proposal and labelling those who voice them as "anti-gun" or "pro-terrorist" is just ain't right.

[Washington_minuteman]

I don't think anyone in their right mind would support terrorism. My sacrasm is sometimes too subdued :-)

It just amazes me however, that Republicans did not have a screaming fit about those appointments, considering the history of those appointed. It's one of the growing plehoria of reasons I trust the government less now, than I did when the Democrats were in the White House.

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"[I]t is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."

--Reichsmarschall Hermann Goering

[Aurelius]

Isn't Magaw a former head of the Bureau of Arson Terrorism and Fascism?

[etcetera]

Your points are well taken. Here's my rebuttal:

1. There is legislation being proposed in the House that would exempt airlines from liability. There needs to be something that would extend that to the pilots themselves.

2. Handgun training for all qualifying pilots has been offered free of charge by Front Site, a major firearm training concern. This training should be mandatory for all pilots who want to carry.

[sit-rep]

Justa 'nother elitist scumbag. He has guns around him to ensure his safety...that's all that matters.

SR

[Uncle Bill]

"Isn't Magaw a former head of the Bureau of Arson Terrorism and Fascism?"

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John Magaw - Lies, Inc.: Meet the New Magaw

December 5, 1996 - BATF Director John W. Magaw has issued an open letter demanding that any person who has ever committed a "domestic" misdemeanor "immediately lawfully dispose of their firearms and ammunition." Failure to comply can subject the firearms possessor to "criminal penalties [and] seizure and forfeiture."

"In the past decade, ATF agents have served over 10,000 search warrants. Not one of them has led to any finding of constitutional violations by an employee acting outside the scope or his or her authority."
John Magaw - Source

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Norman Mineta

"I don't feel we should have lethal weapons in the cockpit,"
Norman Mineta - Source

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Tom Ridge - Says Terrorism Is Permanent

Ridge comment on pilots out of step

"I don't think we want to equip our pilots with firearms, That doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Where would it end?"
Tom Ridge - Source

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Bill Clinton - Rapist

"That’s why I’m for instant background checks at gun shows. I’m for trigger locks."
George W. Bush - Source: St. Louis debate Oct 17, 2000.

"W. Wimps Out on Guns"
The Bush package includes several pet causes of the gun-control lobby, including $75 million for gun locks; $15.3 million for 113 new federal attorneys to serve as full-time gun prosecutors; and $19.1 million to expand a program by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms aimed at preventing youths from obtaining guns. Although Bush stressed that he simply wants to "enforce existing laws," the fine print of Project Safe echoes the gun-grabbing Left's call to ban the importation of high-capacity ammunition clips."

LAURA BUSH:
"During her San Diego speech, for instance, she said nothing about the school shooting that occurred 20 miles away in El Cajon the day before, although in a television interview she condemned it, adding that she thinks more gun control laws are needed.

"I think that's very important," she said when asked by CNN whether stronger gun laws are needed."
Source

Project Safe Neighborhoods, A Closer Look

NEA Resource Text Guide In Regards To The Extreme Right -Where Do Your Kids Go To School?
"The radical right says it is pro-life but it bitterly opposes gun control legislation"

Mandatory Gun Show Background Check Act

Republican help - What are friends for?

Gun Owners Group Takes Aim at Lott (Treason On 2ndAmd, Gungrab Sununu Vs Patriot GunChampion Smith)

RON PAUL: "PILOTS vs. BUREAUCRATS"

Pilots Beg Bush to Allow Guns

Homeland Security Director: "I don't think we want to equip our pilots with firearms," Ridge said. "That doesn't make a lot of sense to me." Asked why, Ridge replied, "Where would it end?"

Defenseless pilots

The Supreme Court Will Never Safeguard Your Gun Rights

EMERSON & THE SECOND AMENDMENT

DOJ briefs to the Supreme Court that we've been reading about (Emerson, etc)

Update on Emerson (Appeals)

Justice Department's legal opinion on Second Amendment is "politically schizophrenic,"

A Problem With Guns?

"Had I known that the enemy was going to use airplanes to kill on that fateful morning, I would have done everything in my power to protect the American people,"
George W. Bush - Source

[safisoft]

Message to Captain "Scoop" Jackson: Can't have it both ways, pal. By your own admission your program is only voluntary, thus there's no way YOU can guarantee that one of the flight crew will have a weapon.,

Message to "puddles paddles": Since over 80% of US airline pilots favor this, it stands to reason we will have a very good chance of 100% of the flights with at least one deputized pilot. Just so you "let the gubmint do it" people know - statistically, the number of flights that carry so-called Sky Marshalls on them today is 0%.

[Thumper1960]

Magaw, et al, seem not to understand: You're either for us, or you're for the terrorists.

The first of order for security is that all persons capable and Constitutionally able, should be armed at all times possible.

Listening, George?

You're either with the people, or you're against the people. Simple.

[Thumper1960]

The only "proficiency" needed is the ability to hit, and kill, what you aim at. As for LEO's being better trained in firearms than military.......the comment is laughable and absurd. Too many LEO's couldn't find their asses with both hands. Too many LEO's haven't the experience of shooting a weapon in the heat of battle or even drawing their weapons, outside of range play, in an enforcement situation.

American LEO's are simply incapable of being a first line of defense in the event of terrorist attack. They are, by definition, 'police'. Better suited to traffic control, investigation of committed crimes and inspecting seat belt compliance. They are certainly not a "Department of Defense".

[Squantos]

John Magaw, former top dog in Ohio State Troopers, US Secret Service Deputy Director (?) and now this ........

Air Marshal Program is a joke as a troop of mine told me his 6 year old son asked him "why" the three men got to get on the plane before people with kids ? When my troop finally was allowed to board with his family the three men he saw boarding early were all sitting 3 to 12 rows apart from each other in coach looking like deer in the headlights........

A small six year old boy outted these alledgedly super secret air marshals ability to blend in with common everyday passengers.......

Yeah Magaw......your really concerned with the sheeples safety aren't ya !

Stay Safe SG !