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firsthand experience with school nonviolence policies
SteveH | 5/21/2002 | SteveH

Posted on 05/22/2002 2:08:18 AM PDT by SteveH

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1 posted on 05/22/2002 2:08:18 AM PDT by SteveH
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2 words. Home schooling.
2 posted on 05/22/2002 2:14:17 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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Your son is in real danger. If that were my son, he would be adequately equipped to defend himself against a lethal threat. That baseball bat is every bit as lethal as any gun. I'd rather have my son a defendant in the courtroom one day than a victim in the cemetary.
3 posted on 05/22/2002 2:32:45 AM PDT by Chuck_101
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Good advice. It worked for my nephew. I told him to avoid fisticuffs over words, but if an assault began, and there was no adult or anyone else to stop it, then he should punch the bully in the nose until he stopped or fell down. After tne next episode, there were no more problems
4 posted on 05/22/2002 2:45:45 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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I work for the US Border Patrol. I recently got into a fight with 4 illegals and their 2 smugglers while several others threw rocks at me from across a canal. What kept me from getting injured was awareness and proper planning. There were other things but none as important as what I just mentioned. Oh yeah, no ego. that's an important one also.
5 posted on 05/22/2002 2:49:20 AM PDT by Ajnin
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I work for the US Border Patrol. I recently got into a fight with 4 illegals and their 2 smugglers while several others threw rocks at me from across a canal. What kept me from getting injured was awareness and proper planning. There were other things but none as important as what I just mentioned. Oh yeah, no ego. that's an important one also.
6 posted on 05/22/2002 2:51:38 AM PDT by Ajnin
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That school sounds like a real cesspool.
8 posted on 05/22/2002 4:27:04 AM PDT by The Other Harry
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Bill began to berate Dave for bothering him. Dave tried hard to appease Bill, acceding to Bill's demands to kneel before him and apologize.

You need to move. If you aren't going to fight, the best idea is to run and live another day. Your son is going to get killed if he stays in that town. I'll repeat, Dave will kill your son because he knows your son won't defend himself.

9 posted on 05/22/2002 4:34:35 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: SteveH
Get a lawyer and go to court to seek a restraining order against "Bill" -- one that bans him from use of the internet, even. I think you waste your time letting the school or local police handle it, given that they show a reluctance to do so.

And on top of that, just stay very aware, and make sure you let your son know that the way he handled the 4pm incident -- groveling on his knees -- has fired up that bully into overdrive. If he went there, and saw the bat, he should not have approached "Bill", but bantered to him and his crew from a distance.

It's like a with a cat that is a mouser -- once the cat moves beyond a certain point, the cat will strike the mouse and there is no holding him back. By kneeling in front of a bully your son has charged up Bill, and he is likely to attack your son at any opportunity -- a predator seeing your son only as tasty prey.

It will many *years* of holding Bill off -- like until he gets married and has kids -- or Bill's getting very severly beaten/defeated -- it not physically, then in court before a hard judge, before your son is out of danger with this bully.

I'm speaking from having grown up in tough neighorhoods and having dealt with such bullies and having seen others fail to deal with them.

10 posted on 05/22/2002 4:38:41 AM PDT by bvw
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My advice to you is... GET YOUR KID THE HELL OUT OF THAT SCHOOL! And get out of town if you have to. Homeschool or private school. Government schools exist by and for the benefit of teachers and administrators.

In the early 70s I was in 7th grade (junior high, grades 7-9) in a wealthy suburb of Boston. It was the educational equivalent of "Lord of the Flies." There were constant fights and threats of violence. Easily the worst years of my life.

One day I got mugged in the boys room. I was afraid to tell anyone, but a few days later I broke down and told my dad. The next day I was called to the office of the vice-principal (an accurate title) who spent half an hour explaining to me how it was impossible for teachers to patrol the bathrooms and basically that there was nothing he could do about it, or was going to do about it.

Looking back, it pisses me off even more. I went back to my old high school about ten years ago and noticed that all of the doors had been broken off the bathroom stalls and that the mirrors had been replaced by rectangular pieces of chrome since they had been broken so often. Tell me that "school" isn't a prison.

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention how the Junior High principal used to pal around with the burn-outs. At the assembly on the last day of school one of the burn-outs set off an M-40 (1/4 stick of dynamite) backstage. And as the day ended Alice Cooper's "School's Out" was played over the PA, by burn-out request, I'm sure. Life imitating art or something like that...

12 posted on 05/22/2002 5:42:51 AM PDT by Aquinasfan
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13 posted on 05/22/2002 6:24:10 AM PDT by TxBec
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don't start any fights.

end any fights I get into.

Should add two points.

1. Remember that all fights are to the death (or at least should be treated so)

2. There is no such thing as a fair fight. There is only a winner and a loser. So if you're forced to fight, go for the win

God Save America (Please)

14 posted on 05/22/2002 6:59:43 AM PDT by John O
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>don't start any fights.

>end any fights I get into.

Should add two points.

1. Remember that all fights are to the death (or at least should be treated so)

2. There is no such thing as a fair fight. There is only a winner and a loser. So if you're forced to fight, go for the win

I'll add my 2 cents from my edumication in public school:

* The only fair fight is a fight you can avoid/talk your way out of/run away from... you avoided it, so fair enough, and you're the winner by avoiding the fight. A true man does not need to hurt someone else to save face.
* All other fights are life or death. Go for the throat, kick in a kneecap, stick a thumb into an eyesocket. If you are reasonable and cannot avoid a fight, then your opponent has no value for your life, so defend your life fully.

16 posted on 05/22/2002 7:24:04 AM PDT by Locked and Loaded
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IMO, it doesn't matter where your kids is schooled, the threat will persist until a finla resolution.

Since the other party is conveying threats using AOL software, they may be interested as might the ISP.

18 posted on 05/22/2002 7:36:03 AM PDT by Eagle Eye
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I have to agree with bvw's advice about the restrianing order. May I suggest as an alternative to homeschooling (which isn't always condusive to working parents' schedules) that you check into private Christian schools in your area. My two high school aged children have attended Christian school since the first grade and we are extremely pleased with the quality of their education, both morally and academically.

If I my son had faced a similar situation as yours, I believe I'd enroll him in a karate class where he would learn to defend him as a last possible solution. I can only imagine the damage to one's self-esteem after having kneeled to this hideous child's abuse. Good luck to you all.

19 posted on 05/22/2002 7:40:54 AM PDT by Quilla
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To: Locked and Loaded
Bump for a far better phrasing than mine.

GSA(P)

20 posted on 05/22/2002 9:22:00 AM PDT by John O
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