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Abortion and Libertarianism
The Libertarian Enterprise ^ | May 13, 2002 | W. James Antle III

Posted on 05/20/2002 2:51:41 PM PDT by dubyajames

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To: Reagan Man
You don't have a clue as to the court.

Thomas is FOR individual rights. A first trimester pregant woman is still quite definately an individual. - Her fetus, at that point, is not.

101 posted on 05/20/2002 9:27:26 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: Zon

Yeah, that C.I.A. spiel on "zonpower for a civilization of the universe" was a great waste of taxpayer money.

102 posted on 05/20/2002 9:28:14 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: tpaine

Libertarians obviously delude themselves into believing that courts confer rights. Up to 3 months and you're an oppressive blob worthy of a trash bin. 3 months and a minute and presto-chango! You have full rights! [sheesh]

103 posted on 05/20/2002 9:33:21 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Goldhammer; Kevin Curry

Fraud and force are just slight inconveniences. They ought to follow tpaine's principled libertarian lead and just clean up the vomit the drunk disgorges on their porch.

106 posted on 05/20/2002 9:38:13 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Cultural Jihad
Thomas is FOR individual rights. A first trimester pregant woman is still quite definitely an individual. - Her fetus, at that point, is not.
101 posted by tpaine

Libertarians obviously delude themselves into believing that courts confer rights.

- No, -- but obviously, - you've deluded YOURself into thinking I've said that.

Up to 3 months and you're an oppressive blob worthy of a trash bin. 3 months and a minute and presto-chango! You have full rights! [sheesh]

Sheesh indeed. - Your delusions overcome your ability to read. -- The USSC said that full rights come with viability.

107 posted on 05/20/2002 9:53:59 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: jlogajan
...In fact you have to forget sequence and potential, it is unenlightening.

Instead, the uniqueness of the human, that which makes a human a human, is not his genetic potential, not his gene code, it is his mind. And the mind doesn't develop right away. I can't tell you when the mind reaches the stage of a human, but it isn't when it is a small clump of cells right after conception.

Thanks for this. You've articulated my "position", so far anyway. Now do the harder part, and tell me when the mind does develop enough to acquire legal protection. (perhaps you do later in the thread)

108 posted on 05/20/2002 10:09:29 PM PDT by secretagent
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To: Goldhammer

BTW, how many best sellers or comparative accomplishments have you achieved?

I do not think I'll ever match Zonmaster Wallace Ward's accomplishment of being incarcerated. By the way, has Zonmaster Ward payed out the $10,000 bonuses he owes Neo-Tech "core members" yet?

Just the other day you made a similar remark (see repost below) and I explained that the IRS committed crimes against Dr. Wallace since you obviously didn't take the initiative to get the whole story from the Web site. But maybe you did read it and chose to ignore that key context because it refutes your agenda of portraying Dr. Wallace as a criminal.

Which is probably the truth especially since you're still inverting justice and siding with the criminal IRS and judge that sent an innocent Wallace Ward to jail.

Neo-Tech: fully integrated honesty (FIH) with wide-scope accounting (WSA) and statistical integrations to increase prosperity and happiness for self others and society via discipline, thought and control (DTC).

Dr. Wallace Ward's resume is impressive. A double PhD in physics and a top research scientist at DuPont that invented and took to market three products. That was over thirty years ago and last I heard those products are still being sold in the market. Whereas only twenty percent of research scientists ever get even one product to market in their longer careers.  But his greatest prosperity creating work is with Neo-Tech/Zonpower. Which he retired early from DuPont to put his efforts towards. Thirty-two years of seven-day-a-week twelve-to-sixteen hour days and that's just one man not to mention other writers and researchers' years of work at Neo-Tech Worldwide?

By the way, has Zonmaster Ward payed out the $10,000 bonuses he owes Neo-Tech "core members" yet?

You'll regurgitate anything you read if it suits your agenda while omitting key context that would otherwise refute your assertions. The supposed $10,000 bonus money was not due to those disgruntled employees that tried pulling the equivalent of a reparations theft.

 

To: Goldhammer

Come now, Wallace Ward (a.k.a Dr Frank Wallace, a.k.a John Flint) was a crook who spent time in jail. He invented Neo-Tech.

He didn't invent Neo-Tech, he discovered the Neo-Tech matrix.. Yes the political-agenda justice system and an ego-justice judge sent Dr. Wallace Ward to prison for ten months? Why did they send him to prison? For not paying his fair share of income tax. The major problem is that he actually overpaid his income tax for all the years in question -- I've seen the tax filings for those years. Mostly on the part of the judge, he knew that Dr. Wallace was innocent but sent an innocent man to prison nonetheless. The judge is the crook, not Dr. Wallace.

Dr. Wallace has several pen names that he publishes under. Use of pen names is common in the book publishing industry. I didn't miss your attempt to make the a.k.a.s look ominously like a criminal hiding behind aliases to hide a criminal identity. A little honesty on your part would be welcome.

Also, Wallace never used Neo-Tech to hide any crimes. It cannot be done. If you read the Neo-Tech Discovery you would know why it is impossible. Wallace has used Neo-Tech several dozen times to protect his interests from neocheaters' attacks. Neo-Tech expose criminals but cannot hide them.

264 posted on 5/17/02 7:21 AM Eastern by Zon


109 posted on 05/20/2002 10:17:24 PM PDT by Zon
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To: secretagent
tell me when the mind does develop enough to acquire legal protection.

I don't know exactly. And reasonable people can reasonably disagree.

A similar question is when a child becomes an adult. You know though, some never do, and some do a lot younger than the average.

tpaine's point in #96 seems to say it as well I could. A reasonable but arbitrary point, as opposed to an unreasonably arbitrary point.

For the record, by the way, I believe a woman retains sovereignty over her body ALWAYS and can expell a fetus at any point she chooses. The question is how you treat the expelled entity -- as a human or not. Viability and other estimations of human life speak to that point -- and not whether a woman MUST bring a birth to term (there are always death risks with live birth and a woman should never be forced to risk her own life for another if she chooses not to.)

110 posted on 05/20/2002 10:18:31 PM PDT by jlogajan
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To: Zon
He didn't invent Neo-Tech, he discovered the Neo-Tech matrix..

Come on, you are not real are you? Or do you actually wear a propeller beanie?

111 posted on 05/20/2002 10:19:53 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: Zon
This Ward character seems all the more scandalous and criminal with your supposed 'defense' of him. Everyone in prison claims they are innocent. It's an old, tired canard you are playing, only made interesting by your utter zeal for zaniness, O Zon.
112 posted on 05/20/2002 10:26:41 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Texasforever
Do you actually think your beanie cracks are wise?

Whatta dork.

113 posted on 05/20/2002 10:27:12 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: tpaine
Drunk again/still?
114 posted on 05/20/2002 10:28:31 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: Cultural Jihad
Says that zany master of Enlightened Yogi-ism, -- our very own jihadic cultist!

Whatta goof.

115 posted on 05/20/2002 10:31:39 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: Texasforever
Nope. -- You?
116 posted on 05/20/2002 10:32:34 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: tpaine

From the Planet Beano, the BeanieMaster has discovered the Beanie Matrix (B.M.) which alone leads to (A.L.T.) Wealth and POWER !!!!

117 posted on 05/20/2002 10:33:05 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: tpaine
Nope. -- You?

Naw, not while I am cleaning my guns.

118 posted on 05/20/2002 10:34:53 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: Reagan Man
You guys never tire of trying to link a philosophy with a political party. Vacant minds never produce anything of substance.
119 posted on 05/20/2002 10:35:26 PM PDT by Protagoras
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To: ThomasJefferson
You guys never tire of trying to link a philosophy with a political party.

So, libertarianism is a philosophy? LOL

120 posted on 05/20/2002 10:38:05 PM PDT by Texasforever
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