9/11-A Failure of Intelligence

MSNBC ^ | 5/17/02 | Kenneth Allard

[Humidston]

Yes - 58%
No - 42%

It looks like the negative press is working on the sheeple. Why am I not surprised??

[Davea]

You have "SAID IT ALL and it is just that SIMPLE. Ask anyone who even works remotely in that field (especially the field guys) and that's the answer you will get.

[TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!]

Remember some time ago the President announcing that an Islamic religious 'front' was exposed as being terrorists [in America] that follow Bin Laden. President Bush cut their funding off.So now they do not get religious donations IS ALL.

They are still here, everywhere in our country.We are at war-IS RIGHT, like never before, as they have us surrounded.Our faulty intelligence and slap happy free trade globalization OPEN to the world got us-surrounded.

I feel that nothing has happened as yet as they needed time to re-group and plan. All awhile thay are still on our soil surrounding all of us. So,part of what you say may be true DETTERENCE. But bad intel and our very own corrupt federal agencies that have not been purged and cleaned up started this mess.

[TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!]

What do you think of the posted link in post # 18? To tin foiley? But very true to fact and documented in our congressional archives.

[TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!]

In order to deter future attacks we need to get the terrorists posted in 23 out and seal our borders.That may sound right winged fringe extremist to you possibly but there is no other answer.

[TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!]

Can you tell me more about the map in 23?

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

"Can you tell me more about the map in 23?"


Jihad in America: Author Steve Emerson explains how he made video, lived to tell about it

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the heads up!

[TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!]

The President some time ago cut off their funding (froze their bank accounts) I suppose it took awhile for their funding to smuggle back in and them to re organize. They are not rightious on our soil, they do not respect us,our laws,anything, they want us dead. Why can we not just kick them out and seal our borders. Sadly, I'll tell ya kicking em all out and sealing off our borders may sound extreme but when their next hit happens folks will THEN be screaming this.

[Davea]

I read the link in post #18. I've seen that list before. Do I think it's "too tin foiley"? No not at all. In fact they should have added a #46 to the list stating "whoever figures out and sees what we are doing and have done should be ridiculed as "tin foil" types thus destroying their credibility".

[Captainpaintball]

I can almost taste it. The liberal media, and their DNC masters will force Watergate-style hearings into President Bush's handling of the 9/11 intelligence failure. Bush, Rove, Matalin, Lott, Hastert, and the rest of the spineless, gutless Republicans will NOT fight back, and they will let it happen. Klinton will once again escape the firing squad.

While all this ridiculous, partisan B.S. goes on at Capitol Hill, we'll be atttacked again. What a statement that will make to the rest of the world!

Jiang Zhemin will fall off his chair in uncontrollable laughter, thinking " THESE are the guys that will try to stop us from taking Taiwan? HA!"

If Bush can't handle the media slander and stand up to the EVIL anti-American democratic threat, the ramifications go beyond politics. We will lose the country.

[TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!]

I agree with all but your first paragraph.It will not even get close to impeachment hearings.

[Captainpaintball]

Sorry for the confusion. I meant that they will force hearings of some kind. The kind with lots of TV cameras. The kind with Democrats lying, posturing, distorting, politicking, and grandstanding. Which also means a lot of cowering, bumbling, stumbling, bending down, lubing up, and grabbing of the ankles by Republicans. What will it take to knock some sense into people?

Perhaps we'll be lucky. They'll hit the Capitol building with all our Congresspeople in it. Al-Qaeda will think they acheived a "Great Victory", but it will be "WE", the American people, who come out on top.

[gwmoore]

What is bothering me is not the fact that memos on the subject of a 9/11 type terror attack exist, but that the existence of the terrorist organization (I don't know if it was called Al-Queida at the time) was known as far back as the Iran-Contra hearings.

Col. North brought up Osama Bin Laden's name while he was being questioned about the 60K security system which he had installed in his home. Col North also, at the same hearing, espoused the belief that the man should be eliminated at the first opportunity. The following is basically verbatim testimony, which I recieved from a friend (name withheld due to the fact I did not ask for permission to use his name ;-)

It was 1987! At a lecture the other day they played an old news video of Lt. Col. Oliver North testifying at the Iran-Contra hearings during the Reagan Administration.

There was Ollie in front of God and country getting the third degree, but what he said was stunning! He was being drilled by some senator:

"Did you not recently spend close to $60,000 for a home security system?"

Ollie replied, "Yes, I did , Sir."

The senator continued, trying to get a laugh out of the audience, "Isn't that just a little excessive?"

"No, sir," continued Ollie. "No? And why not?" the senator asked.

"Because the lives of my family and I were threatened, sir"

Threatened? By whom?" the senator questioned.=20

"By a terrorist, sir" Ollie answered.=20

"Terrorist? What terrorist could possibly scare you that much?"

"His name is Osama bin Laden, sir" Ollie replied.

At this point the senator tried to repeat the name,butcouldn't pronounce it,which most people back then probably couldn't.

A couple of people laughed at the attempt. Then the senator continued, "Why are you so afraid of this man?" the senator asked.

"Because, sir, he is the most evil person alive that know of", Ollie answered.

And what do you recommend we do about him?" asked the senator.

"Well, sir,if it was up to me, I would recommend that an assassin team be formed to eliminate him and his men from the face of the earth."

The senator disagreed with this approach, and that was all that was shown of the clip.

If anyone is interested, the senator turned out to be none other than Al Gore.

Ok, here we see the sowing of the seeds which directly led to the tragedy of 9/11. Lest anyone forget, President Bush had been in office less than a year, was trying to unscramble the debacle which the government had been allowed to become under the Xlintoons, and, I am sure, was aware of exactly who attacked the USS Cole.

The problem here is, that regardless of what was known, and by whom, the liberal agitprop spewers are going to do their level best to destroy this administration by pressuring the leaders of the House and Senate to demand hearings, which will rapidly degenerate into political pontificating sessions (Remember the Ashcroft confirmation hearing, well, this will be about 100 times more vehement, and the rent-a-shouters will be out in force).

Even if we had iron clad intel about OBL, Al-Queida, and terrorist activity, there are many reasons why the information would not be disseminated. Two that come immediately to mind are (1.) leaking of the information would compromise an important HUMINT source, and (2.) While the general idea of an "attack" was known, the actual method of attack was not.

We have seen in the months following 9/11, so much disinformation and cries of "wolf" that one takes all info with a grain of salt. IMHO, I have absolutely no doubt that another attack, equal to or surpassing 9/11 will take place. We have just not done enough to remove the perps from this country under the name of "Political Correctness".

There is only one real cure for this, and that is to cut the head off the chicken, by whatever means it takes. I suggest that 2 cities in the Middle East be reduced to green glass, that the sword of enhanced radiation weapons be used to insure the enemy is gone, while the oil infrastructure remains intact, and the takeover of said infrastructure by loyal Americans and American Corporations.

Yes, this can spread, as there are multiple chickens to be beheaded in this war against terror. OBL has become a figurehead and his death must be openly televised to all who would follow his teachings. If we have to reduce the capital cities of countries who support and harbor terrorists to glass ponds, so be it.

Mr President, OPEN THE FOOTBALL!!! LET'S ROLL!!

Keep the Faith for Freedom

MAY GOD BLESS AND PROTECT THIS HONORABLE REPUBLIC FROM THE CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGERS NOW FACING HER FROM BOTH WITHIN AND OUTSIDE HER BORDERS, INCLUDING FROM THOSE WHOSE POLITICAL AFFILIATION INCLUDES THE (D) AND TO INCLUDE THOSE WHO SHOULD, LIKE TRAITOR MCCAIN. THIS, MOST CERTAINLY INCLUDES THE INCUMBENTS OF THE SENATE (DASCHLE,FEINSTEIN, BOXER & SHUMER (AMONG OTHERS), AND THOSE IN THE HOUSE, ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO ARE MEMBERS OF THE SOCIALIST AND PROGRESSIVE CAUCUS (COMMUNISTS UNDER A NEW NAME). DAMN THE CFR BILL, I WILL SPEAK MY MIND FREELY, AS GUARANTEED BY THE FIRST AMENDMENT!!!. YOU MAY TAKE THE 60 DAYS AND SHOVE THEM!!!!
JOE MCCARTHY, WHERE ARE YOU NOW WHEN WE NEED YOU?

Greg

[jetson]

If any one remmembers a New York Times article where the only jets flying( after the grounding of all aircraft) on 9-11 was a jet picking up all of the Bin Laden family memmbers around the east coast.I need this info. Please leave in my message board.

[TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!]

B U M P!!!

[TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!]

The poll on MSNBC STILL has not changed. Odd!

[o_zarkman44]

The intelligence issue starts with the unintelligent people who elected Clinton TWICE. Clinton cut defense spending. Cut funding for international intelligence. Clinton did not take custody of Bin Laden when he had the opportunity. Clinton ruined the economy. Allowed unchecked immigration. And the mess he left is proven in the results of the past 2 years, of which Democrats now try to blame Bush.

The failure of intelligence starts with the American people for electing idiots, criminals, and corporate candidates.

[TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!]

And don't forget the day we went to war when the U.S.S. Cole was attacked and Clintoon did nothing but sicken folks in Norfolk NAS by showing for a memorial.

[TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!]

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