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U.S. Intercepting Messages Hinting at a New Attack
The New York Times ^ | 5/18/02 (for editions of 5/19/02) | James Risen and David Johnston

Posted on 05/18/2002 10:31:35 AM PDT by GeneD

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To: Principled
"What the hell are you talking about? If you think government brnigs safety, you ARE an idiot. If you prefer security over freedom, you deserve neither. I suggest you take your hot-shot ass back up and read a little, smart-ass."

I'm really impressed by your vernacular. So tell me, who said first:

"Dammit. Protect my family... PROFILE!!"?

It wasn't me. It was your remark, and it speaks volumes. If you cry out to the government for more profiling, they will give it to you, and who knows, who they might include in their profiling. Could be you; could be me.

So, if you want more profiling, you'll end up with government excess, which was the point of my remarks (something which apparently got by you). Why do you not cry out for closing of the borders, a moratorium on immigration, deportation of enemy aliens and even the outlawing of Islam here (instead of welcoming them into the White House, defending and participating in their idolatry)?

You read some government report about the possibility of some ambigious terrorist action, and you cry out to have even more of the Constitution shredded. The only thing that I've seen being blown up recently in this Republic has been our constitutional Rights.

You see to the protection of your own family. Don't ask the government to do it, since they are the ones who will be doing the profiling you asked for. You may regret asking for their help.

101 posted on 05/18/2002 1:17:03 PM PDT by Washington_minuteman
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To: rintense
Sporting events, to me, are huge targets for only one reason- large numbers of people.

You'd be reasonably safe at a White Sox game.

102 posted on 05/18/2002 1:19:43 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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AS LONG AS THE TERRORISTS ATTACK ACLU HEADQUARTERS, I SAY NO PROFILING!

;)

103 posted on 05/18/2002 1:22:39 PM PDT by willgetsome
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To: Washington_minuteman
You have got too high an opinion of yourself.

Again, I ask you to go back and read.

Quote me where I asked government to get involved. Go ahead. Find it.

When you have become sufficiently embarrassed by your precipitous comments intended to make you feel omniscient, you may return to get some rational discussion.

From what I've seen of you though, that's not likely. If, however, you can admit your problem in this case, I'm happy to discuss.

104 posted on 05/18/2002 1:23:02 PM PDT by Principled
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To: GeneD
Dear Mr President Let me clue you in on one thing that might help.

If an attack takes place and you have not started to racial profile and deport the foreign students you are HISTORY. If you have started and an attack takes places you will at least be able to say you are trying.

Remember Americans want instant gratification and I suspect this is what they want.

105 posted on 05/18/2002 1:23:26 PM PDT by chachacha
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To: aristeides
Why is information about these intercepts being made public?

I would expect it is because of people like Daschle, Hillary, McKinney, Lieberman, McCain that are stewing around trying to lay blame on Bush as being totally incapable of being president. Now all info will be publicized and it we know too much - Al Qaida will just alter their plans a little.

Isn't our country shrewd? We cannot protect ourselves because we among ourselves try to destroy each other. Anything done - will be criticized for the pursuit of power. Therefore - all politicians will determine their actions based on what the opponents will say - not what needs to be done to protect us.

I absolutely hate the democratic party I see in action.

106 posted on 05/18/2002 1:27:12 PM PDT by ClancyJ
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To: codebreaker
Memorial Day Indy 500, Baseball Games, NBA Finals etc.

Ichiro bobble head doll night?

107 posted on 05/18/2002 1:32:44 PM PDT by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham
Lest things get REALLY OUT OF CONTROL after the next major attack on US soil.

If there is another big attack that our goverment does not prevent,the feces may hit the air circulator.

Locked and loaded,also.

108 posted on 05/18/2002 1:36:59 PM PDT by mdittmar
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To: ET(end tyranny)
What specifically does it tell you to watch out for??

The very same thing that Bush was given before 9/11. Now act on it.

109 posted on 05/18/2002 1:41:30 PM PDT by ClancyJ
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To: GeneD
Did Ridge change the color scheme yet?
110 posted on 05/18/2002 1:43:52 PM PDT by miamimark
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To: GeneD
Columbus Ohio is the home of the Islamic Congress of the United States, near Ohio State University.

I think that the next Islamic terrorist attack might be against Wright Patterson AFB in Dayton, 90-minutes away from this hotbed-home of Islam in America.

111 posted on 05/18/2002 1:43:55 PM PDT by Jumper
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To: 1rudeboy
Not really. I've seen the neighborhood the ball park is in.
113 posted on 05/18/2002 1:47:21 PM PDT by rintense
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To: GeneD
American intelligence agencies have intercepted a vague yet troubling series of communications among Al Qaeda operatives

Why can I not shake this troubling question of who is leading who by the nose?

114 posted on 05/18/2002 1:49:34 PM PDT by MosesKnows
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To: Principled
I'm glad your vernacular has improved. I detest debate with people who cannot express themselves with words in excess of one syllible.

Look, you said in post #2, "Dammit. Protect my family... PROFILE!!"

Who do you think does that? FR posters? Not likely. It's the government.

One thing leads to another. They issue an alert. You respond to the propaganda, by crying out for more profiling. Next time they issue one of their ambigious alerts, you'll cry out for something else that violates the Constitution. On and on it goes and before long, you'll have given away the farm. They do it bit-by-bit, because they don't want anyone to notice. Nevertheless, some do.

You know, a lot of people disagree with me. They are the ones who believe that sometimes, to be safe, we are supposed to suspend the Constitution, and trust the government to do the right thing and take care of us. Your remark sounded like that. I don't buy that philosophy. To the contrary, I believe that the Constitution provides the government with all the power it requires, even in the context of an emergency, to do it's constitutional duty. There's even a past Supreme Court justice who agrees with me on that. Like taxes, give the government power that was once yours, you'll never get it back. Give them your Bill of Rights, and you're no longer a free person, living in a free society. You're a slave.

So my position has been made clear and there's no sense in arguing about it, because from here, I will not falter. As I have said in the past, many, many times. I am a strict constitutionalist. Anyone or anything that breeches that philosophy, or approaches it with the intent of altering it, is dangerous to the future of the Republic.

The only "problem", as you say, I have is that I look deeper than most. I do not accept things at face-value. If you desire to be right, so be it. Consider yourself right. It's no skin off my nose. At least, you know that your position is not universally accepted.

115 posted on 05/18/2002 1:51:56 PM PDT by Washington_minuteman
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To: miamimark
Did Ridge change the color scheme yet?

As silly as his color scheme is to some people, I don't view this latest news as a real threat unless the color is changed to orange or red.

117 posted on 05/18/2002 1:56:05 PM PDT by Snowy
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To: Washington_minuteman
Why do you not cry out for closing of the borders, a moratorium on immigration, deportation of enemy aliens and even the outlawing of Islam here (instead of welcoming them into the White House, defending and participating in their idolatry)?

Do I understand you correctly, LE's use of nationality and sex in profiling is a no no but the religious cleansing of America is a go?

118 posted on 05/18/2002 1:57:42 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: rosebud
More than a mole. A perverse traitor who was recruited in Eastern Europe in 1969.
119 posted on 05/18/2002 2:04:37 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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