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Peggy Noonan: Dubya's New Deal
Opinion Journal ^ | 05/17/2002 | Peggy Noonan

Posted on 05/16/2002 9:10:34 PM PDT by Pokey78

Edited on 04/23/2004 12:04:29 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

The president sacrifices whatever he must to win the war--just as FDR did.

Let me tell you what I think of the criticism that President Bush (a) reversed a half century of Republican philosophy on free trade and caved in on tariffs, and (b) accepted and endorsed a big-government farm bill that was so greasy, pork-filled and fat-laden that if you took the Farm Security and Rural Investment Act of 2002 in your hand and held a match to it would hiss, pop and sizzle like bacon in a big black skillet.


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1 posted on 05/16/2002 9:10:34 PM PDT by Pokey78
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To: Howlin; Miss Marple; summer; mombonn; Sabertooth; beckett; BlueAngel; JohnHuang2...
Ping for the PNPL.
2 posted on 05/16/2002 9:11:36 PM PDT by Pokey78
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To: Pokey78
bump.
3 posted on 05/16/2002 9:19:55 PM PDT by hillsborofox
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To: Pokey78
I think she over looks the fact that not everyone that takes a poll bothers to go to the voters booth. Given the closeness of the last election a hundred votes can make or break a candidate.

Bush has toss'ed his base out in the cold by far more than a hundred votes. I rush to the television now to turn him off when he comes on, I can't bear to look at the man or listen to what he has to say. What he is saying probably isn't in my native tongue anyway.

I think 2004 will be a very interesting election given the Democrats habit of stuffing a couple of million bogus votes in the ballot boxes and given that a small, but possibly critical, percentage of the base will go fishing that day.

4 posted on 05/16/2002 9:30:41 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: Pokey78
I disagree with one point in the article.

The base will forgive him, the nonbase hasn't noticed he did anything that needs forgiveness, and the opposition can hardly knock him for taking policy positions they've long supported.

The opposition will knock him for anything. They are not consistent, and logic fails them.

5 posted on 05/16/2002 9:31:16 PM PDT by Samwise
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To: Pokey78
The only weakness in this article is that FDR went to war against three nations, Bush is fighting against terrorists. That is like fighting a war on poverty or on drugs; how we doing on those wars anyhow?
6 posted on 05/16/2002 9:32:34 PM PDT by joeyman
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To: Pokey78
Mr. Bush has been justly smacked by pundits, but the man on the street and the woman being polled don't seem to think much of it, about it or against it.

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Most of those being polled don't know what is happening to them or have given up caring.

7 posted on 05/16/2002 9:34:13 PM PDT by RLK
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To: RLK
Why Democrats should draft George W.(FDR) Bush in 2004

Bush replaces busts of Roosevelt, JFK

The Roosevelt Nobody Knows

REPUBLICANS BLAME FRANKLIN ROOSEVELT

George the New Dealer, the next FDR. LOL! This keeps getting better by the day.

Eleanor's Red Communist Record

8 posted on 05/16/2002 9:38:02 PM PDT by Uncle Bill
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To: Pokey78
Why wouldn't he? Playing political games is what Mr. Carville does as a partisan, as an operative, as a holder of the banner of the opposition. It's not only a game but a lucrative one. And it's not terrible, it's show biz--occasionally funny, often colorful.

When people like Peggy Noonan say things like this I just get so depressed. It is true that it means nothing to any of them. They are paid political hacks or prostitutes. Makes me wonder why I care at all? Politics sucks. Today did nothing more than affirm that impression for me. I'm SO TEMPTED to just tune out. Probably wasn't the intent of Peggy's article but that's what it says to me. It's just a stupid game, forgetaboutit.

9 posted on 05/16/2002 9:39:54 PM PDT by Wphile
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To: Pokey78
Mr. Bush has been justly smacked by pundits, but the man on the street and the woman being polled don't seem to think much of it, about it or against it. Mr. Bush knows this and likes it.
If it's all about the polling (and I don't think that it is), then she should be comparing Bush to Clinton, not FDR.
10 posted on 05/16/2002 9:42:54 PM PDT by drjimmy
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To: Wphile
Sorry, Noonan's even more right than she imagined.

She overestimate's FDR. With a Democratic Congress & a liberal Court cowed by it to him, he couldn't get his program through. FDR haters here fail to understand that he essentially caved on most of the most important parts of his agenda.

His Uncle (once removed) equally took refuge in a political trench, although history can't see it. TR didn't get half -- hell, he didn't get a 1/3 of what he wanted through Congress. Both he and FDR won the PR battle but lost the legislative battle.

Bush is doing the same thing.

Lament it, but you'll be fighting history (with my sympathies)

11 posted on 05/16/2002 9:45:00 PM PDT by nicollo
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To: Pokey78
The president sacrifices whatever he must to win the war--just as FDR did.

Does this explain why the Bush adminstration has ignored credible evidence that the Clinton administration and democRATS tampered with our election process (by voter fraud and by adding millions of illegal contributions from communists to their campaign coffers), the privacy of individuals and many Republican leaders (inorder to blackmail them), sold US secrets and restricted data for more campaign cash (some call that treason), abused the IRS (used it to harass political opponents), abused the FBI and DOJ (corrupted both to cover up their misdeeds), abused the military (used it to wag the dog repeatedly), murdererd high level government employees who were deemed unreliable (like Foster and Brown), and committed mass murder (in order to kill Brown)? Is there ANYTHING that Bush is not willing to sacrifice in this war against terrorists ... who NEVER posed or could pose a threat to what this country is (and its not "buildings" and "people")? The sad truth is that if Bush sacrifices the Constitution and our laws to "win" this war ... we have lost.

So Mr. Bush is doing an FDR, and angering only a base that will forgive him.

Don't be so sure.

12 posted on 05/16/2002 9:54:09 PM PDT by BeAChooser
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To: Pokey78
The reason is that GWB is doing an FDR.

FDR would sacrifice anything, he'd tack left right and center, to win World War II. You can almost literally trace the end of FDR's New Deal legislation to the beginning of the war in Europe in September 1939.

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This analogy is ridiculous. In WWII we had to build entire large armies, navies, and air forces starting with nothing. We had millions of men in uniform actively fighting a war. Today we have a very very limited effort. There are no Normandy invasions, battles of Midway and the Coral Sea or Iwo Jimas. I used to count train cars full of artillary and armor during WWII as a kid. I'd see trains well over 300 cars long pulled by three steam engines. There's nothing approaching that today.

Noonan is desperately trying to excuse Bush. It won't sell at my house. This kind of attempted spin is an insult to anyone's intelligence. This quality of thought has been typical of Bush and his supporters and has been a mojor factor in my disgust with Bush and the enrite scene.

It's time to cut out the spin and bullcrap and get serious.

13 posted on 05/16/2002 10:00:45 PM PDT by RLK
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I haven't been polled, but I definitely vote. I believe that Bush will do WHATEVER it takes to win this war and save American lives. And I say more power to him, whatever he has to do.

Obviously the Democrats are too dumb to come in out of the rain. They will do anything to get power, even if it means there isn't a country to have power IN. They don't know how even to act in their own best interests, much less the country's.

14 posted on 05/16/2002 10:09:36 PM PDT by WaterDragon
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To: MissAmericanPie
I think you're correct. I wasn't especially enthusiastic voting for President Bush the first time around. 2004 will be especially interesting if the DemocRATs manage to nominate someone other than Algore. I'm especially afraid of a Hillary! campaign.
15 posted on 05/16/2002 11:22:17 PM PDT by altair
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To: altair
Do you really think that after the Nov elections Bush won't throw many, many bones to the base? Carl Rove isn't stupid and he will have Bush roll out all kinds of things that the base will do cartwheels over !
16 posted on 05/16/2002 11:28:21 PM PDT by america-rules
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To: RLK
Noonan is desperately trying to excuse Bush. It won't sell at my house. This kind of attempted spin is an insult to anyone's intelligence. This quality of thought has been typical of Bush and his supporters and has been a mojor factor in my disgust with Bush and the enrite scene.

It's time to cut out the spin and bullcrap and get serious.

I agree. I don't know what has happened to this terribly intelligent woman lately. Maybe I over estimated her. She's an incredibly talented wordsmith. Maybe that's as far as it goes.

17 posted on 05/17/2002 12:26:56 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler
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To: Pokey78
If Mr. Bush's popularity falls, his party's popularity suffers. The congressional elections six months from now could produce a Democratic House and a more heavily Democratic Senate.

Even before this current assault by the media and Democrats implying Bush had advance knowledge of 9/11, some conservatives like Rush have been attacking him relentlessly without regard to upcoming elections. That didn't hurt his poll numbers, but I'll be interested in seeing his numbers in a few days after this out of control barrage on TV, radio, and front pages.

18 posted on 05/17/2002 12:27:12 AM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: america-rules
he will have Bush roll out all kinds of things that the base will do cartwheels over !

Maybe. But please, please no more tattoo removal parlors, thank you.

19 posted on 05/17/2002 12:43:34 AM PDT by altair
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To: Pokey78
Ya got to love this quote,

"Ann Coulter could eat her lunch off Paul Begala's head and use his tie as a napkin"

20 posted on 05/17/2002 4:05:47 AM PDT by bigdog
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