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Libertarians Advocate Drug Legalization: Recipe For Escalating Societal Decay
GOPUSA.COM ^ | May.16,2002 | Carol Devine-Molin

Posted on 05/16/2002 11:22:07 AM PDT by Reagan Man

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To: GregoryFul
You've been around here longer then I have. You should know better. If you're going to take issue, with something I've said, its proper FReeper courtesy, to flag me. Don't talk behind my back. Do you lack cojones, or are you just another internet punk?

And my screenname is Reagan Man, not Regan Man, stupid!

541 posted on 05/18/2002 2:23:12 PM PDT by Reagan Man
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To: Ken H
I can see where the ammendment process would be at least cleaner than interpretation for sure.
542 posted on 05/18/2002 2:55:10 PM PDT by A CA Guy
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To: palo verde
Just say no!
543 posted on 05/18/2002 2:56:30 PM PDT by A CA Guy
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To: Reagan Man
Just read enough of your posts to know that you are immutable and disingenuous. With all your concern about people being hurt by a mild intoxicant, why, you would throw them in jail and let them rot... What a man!
544 posted on 05/18/2002 3:05:24 PM PDT by GregoryFul
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To: headsonpikes
bump. Not a bad post at all, imo.

Hardly 'crazy-wacko'....;^)

545 posted on 05/18/2002 6:43:25 PM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: GregoryFul
Not only you lack cojones, you're a punk too.

You should think about changing your screen name to GregoryFool. That certainly fits you better.

546 posted on 05/18/2002 7:06:32 PM PDT by Reagan Man
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To: Impeach98
Yep, just ask those 350,000 users and pushers under lock right now. Getting crowded? Don't worry, we'll build more.
547 posted on 05/18/2002 7:21:29 PM PDT by Whilom
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To: headsonpikes
Post #455 bump.

"All is vanity."

548 posted on 05/18/2002 7:46:38 PM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: Reagan Man
Spare us the crocodile tears.
549 posted on 05/18/2002 9:01:02 PM PDT by apochromat
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To: apochromat
Spare us your lying BS!
550 posted on 05/18/2002 11:18:20 PM PDT by Reagan Man
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To: Reagan Man
You're into some big lies on me and on everyone else, as far as I can tell.
551 posted on 05/18/2002 11:21:16 PM PDT by apochromat
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To: LiberteeBell
Check out this thread for an example of the widdle cwy-babie's debating methods. LOL!!

He flat out refuses debates of substance; i.e., where he can't use his collection of hackneyed sound-bites as a substitute for honest contention.

Honesty is a virtue these types are unacquainted with. They must think simple conformity suffices as a substitute for all the difficult bits of moral reasoning.

552 posted on 05/19/2002 6:03:15 PM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: Ol' Sparky
Of course, the Federal government should be involved in stopping the illegal flow of drugs in this nation. Drug trafficking is a Federal issue that spreads across the nation. For the same reason we need an FBI and CIA, we need a DEA. And only a fool would object that.

Or someone who cares about the Constitution. Which obviously doesn't include the majority of conservatives. (Present company included.)

553 posted on 05/19/2002 8:29:47 PM PDT by Mark Bahner
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To: Reagan Man
A majority of Americans fully support the national drug control policy.

And a majority of Americans fully support the recently passed Campaign Finance Reform legislation. A majority of Americans support the federal government violating their Constitutional rights in a large number of ways.

But this country, BY LAW, is not a democracy. It's supposed to be a constitutional republic.

And they are constitutional.

You keep writing this, but to my knowledge, you've NEVER explained why a Constitutional amendment was (or was not) required to prohibit alcohol manufacture and sale, but somehow was not required for drugs. The reason you can't explain it is because drug laws are NOT constitutional.

In addition, those people who support legalization and who act as enablers to these low life scum drug dealers/users, should be ashamed of themselves.

No, U.S. citizens who support the federal government violating The Law (the Constitution) should be ashamed of themselves. But none of them are.

There is absolutely no redeeming social value in the use of these drugs.

Many DOCTORS (people with actual medical degrees) advocate use of marijuana in specific situations (to avoid nausea from chemotherapy, for example). In fact, people who oppose allowing sick people to get whatever medicines their doctors think are appropriate should ALSO be ashamed of themselves. But none of them are either.

554 posted on 05/19/2002 8:42:11 PM PDT by Mark Bahner
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To: Mong
You should listen to you mother ;)

I always listen to my mother. Even when she's wrong. :-)

As far as the history, I know Theodore Roosevelt...

Yes, Teddy Roosevelt. One of a never-ending line of Big Government Republican presidents, unbroken even to the present.

...but, I really don't have the time to research all the arguments regarding whether or not the actual creation of FDA was unconstitutional (and I'm not gonna take your word for it that it wasn't)

Well, assuming you already know that "general welfare" only applies to specific things in Article I, Section 8, the only way the FDA COULD be Constitutional would be under the clause, "regulate commerce...among the several states." Then you could look at what was meant by "regulate." Since the Articles of Confederation INHIBITED commerce among the several states, the idea of "regulate" was amost certainly to "make regular"...as a laxative makes a person "regular." In other words, the idea was to ease the flow of commerce among the "several states." The FDA most certainly does NOT ease the flow of commerce among the several states. The hoops that the FDA makes companies jump through before a medicine is approved DELAYS, by many years, the flow of commerce between states. In other words, the FDA does basically the opposite of what the writers of the Constitution intended.

In fact, it's even WORSE than that, because the FDA doesn't even allow production WITHIN the state where the medicine is being made, until the FDA approves. There's NO WAY the writers of the Constitution ever intended the federal government to be able to reach WITHIN a state to INHIBIT (make "irregular") trade!

555 posted on 05/19/2002 9:11:19 PM PDT by Mark Bahner
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To: Mark Bahner
The constitution only allowed three crimes to be prosecute at the Federal level -- counterfeiting, treason, and piracy. Does anyone in their right mind really think in today's world that that those are the only three crimes the Federal government should be prosecuting?

The country and world changed and many crimes involve international criminals and multiple states. That's why Congress and the judical system allowed for the expansion of crimes to be prosecuted by the Federal government.

Wrapping one's self up in the constitution is simply a smoke screen to achieve your goals of being able to smoke weed without getting busted.

556 posted on 05/19/2002 9:32:24 PM PDT by Ol' Sparky
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To: Mark Bahner
A majority of Americans fully support the national drug control policy.
And a majority of Americans fully support the recently passed Campaign Finance Reform legislation. A majority of Americans support the federal government violating their Constitutional rights in a large number of ways.

Truth is, CFR isn't even on the radar screen for most American's and only gained enough support for final Senate passage, because of Congressional response following the Enron mess. I believe the USSC will find portions of the CFR legislation, to be clearly unconstitutional and those parts will then be removed from the law. This is specific to the parts that infinge upon free speech, such as the ban on running issue ads against incumbants, 60 days prior to an election.

But lets not forget, this thread is about Libertarian's and illicit drugs. The idea that certain legislation that becomes law, is viewed by some people as unconstitutional, but by other people as constitutional, has been standard fair in America since the earliest days of our Republic. And America's national drug control policy is constitutional.

... to my knowledge, you've NEVER explained why a Constitutional amendment [was not] required for drugs. The reason you can't explain it is because drug laws are NOT constitutional.

I have explained it more then once. Article I, section 1 of the US Constitution, provides that "[a]ll legislative [p]owers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States,..." I can't help it if you're not satisfied with that. I've posted the Controlled Substances Act several times, along with the 1991 USSC decision, Touby v. United States, 500 U.S. 160, that gave the CSA its legal binding and lawful status.

The federal government isn't violating the law, in the case of the CSA, or the NDCP.

Many DOCTORS (people with actual medical degrees) advocate use of marijuana in specific situations (to avoid nausea from chemotherapy, for example). In fact, people who oppose allowing sick people to get whatever medicines their doctors think are appropriate should ALSO be ashamed of themselves. But none of them are either.

From what I've read and from personal experiences with cancer patients, a majority of the medical community, believes there is no therapeutic value in smoking MJ, for those people suffering from serious/terminal illnesses. There are perscription drugs, that come in pill form, that are available and do a much better job, in relieving the pain and discomfort related to cancer and other horrible afflictions. Bottom line, the federal government is simply doing their job, by enforcing drug laws. Personally, I believe if someone receives comfort, through the psychosomatic relief of smoking pot, they should be allowed to use it, but only under the approval and strict control of a physician.

557 posted on 05/19/2002 10:49:49 PM PDT by Reagan Man
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To: headsonpikes
Check out this thread...

LOL! I had and that's what prompted my comment on the other thread.

558 posted on 05/20/2002 6:52:13 AM PDT by LiberteeBell
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To: Ol' Sparky
The constitution only allowed three crimes to be prosecute at the Federal level -- counterfeiting, treason, and piracy. Does anyone in their right mind really think in today's world that that those are the only three crimes the Federal government should be prosecuting?

That's all *I* can think of. What else did you have in mind? The country and world changed and many crimes involve international criminals and multiple states.

That's what extradition is for. Whatever crime occurs, it occurs in one place. That's the appropriate place for the trial...unless no unbiased jury can be found at that place.

Wrapping one's self up in the constitution is simply a smoke screen to achieve your goals of being able to smoke weed without getting busted.

Complete BS. I've come to expect this from conservatives. Just like liberals! I don't smoke...anything...and have never been "high" on any substance (unless chocolate qualifies).

559 posted on 05/20/2002 9:48:21 AM PDT by Mark Bahner
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To: All
I hate to cross-post, but here's a question I raised on another thread:
Anyhoo, pro-WOD or anti-WOD really misses the entire point in my mind. For those who are anti-WOD (especially the decriminalization of narcotics crowd), a quick question: Is the American body politic truly ready for decriminalization of narcotics?

560 posted on 05/20/2002 10:00:51 AM PDT by rdb3
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