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Denver Judge Axes the Constitution - Update of Rick Stanley's 2A/Civil Disobedience Trial
The Stanley for U.S. Senate 2002 Colorado Campaign - News Release ^ | May 15, 2002 | Stanley for U.S. Senate 2002 - Colorado

Posted on 05/16/2002 3:05:12 AM PDT by LibertyRocks

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To: Maelstrom
The Anti-Federalists were prophetic.

And that is the understatement of the day.

381 posted on 05/16/2002 4:39:11 PM PDT by Spiff
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To: LibertyRocks
Oh, yes, it is a constitutional issue!
382 posted on 05/16/2002 4:39:12 PM PDT by Standing Wolf
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To: Maelstrom
Political parties can be taken over from within. If that is too much like work for your taste, then that's your problem.

Look at the structure of American government as laid out in the Constitution. If such sweeping changes as what you seek could be introduced so rapidly, then the nation would have collapsed well over a century ago--heck, we probably wouldn't have gone to 1861 without the Civil War, we would have had one before 1800.

383 posted on 05/16/2002 4:39:15 PM PDT by Poohbah
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To: sinkspur
"According to your viewpoint of the rights of jurors. YOU don't have any."

Not at all. I was arguing with someone who thinks he ought to be able to decide Constitutionality of a law along with the guilt or innocence of a defendant.

Good grief. -- No rational juror would think he is deciding the final 'constitutionality' of a law, and certainly a judge could instuct the jury on that point.

The jury is to decide if the law in question applies to the defendant as charged, in ONLY that case. -- Thus, a defendant that is prevented from presenting a defense that includes his view of how the law applies, is being deprived of a FULL defense. --- His rights are being violated by the court itself.

This is simple common sense. - Which you statists certainly lack. - To the point of denying your own rights, as above.

384 posted on 05/16/2002 4:39:52 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: PatrioticAmerican
This idiot Judge, and most are in Denver, needs a swift kick in the judicial pants.

His behavior leads me to believe he isn't wearing any pants behind that bench and his smirk means more than we realize.

385 posted on 05/16/2002 4:41:37 PM PDT by IncredibleHulk
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To: ctdonath2
More like that jury reached their verdict because the evidence was incomprehensible to them, having been thoroughly obfuscated by the defense. "We haven't a clue, so we can't convict."

Perhaps, but that is a different matter from nullification. The jury didn't arrive at their verdict because they disagreed with the law against murder or found it unjust.

386 posted on 05/16/2002 4:44:18 PM PDT by Alan Chapman
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To: Poohbah
Unless they're thoroughly infested and the termites have eaten out their foundation. Then they're best to be disposed of.

What's wrong with a 3rd party? If the 2-party system is so great, why didn't the Founding Fathers just write it into the Constitution?

387 posted on 05/16/2002 4:45:15 PM PDT by Spiff
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To: Spiff
Nothing inherently wrong with a 3rd party, with the small exception of human nature. We tend to be dualistic; the third parties usually get single-issue persons, or those who are at the far ends of the political Bell curve.

And if the existing parties are so rotten, then infiltrating and taking them over will be remarkably easy.

Your complaint is that it's really too much work.

389 posted on 05/16/2002 4:49:55 PM PDT by Poohbah
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To: Zon
I stands by my statement. You're of a brain dead state worse than paine.
390 posted on 05/16/2002 4:50:13 PM PDT by VA Advogado
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To: wacko
If they backed Stanley right now (actually took a stand for something), they'd win. But what's the LP doing? It's doing the same as the Reps and Dems do: what is PC. The LP'd be on the map if it stood with Stanley on this, but it'd rather be PC.

Unfortunately, the LP can't agree on the color of the sky or the time of day. And they're too busy trying legalize pot and prostitution, wishing for more illegal immigrants, and defending your right to have your child pureed and sucked into a sink. I absolutely wish they'd get it together, but I think too many of them are little brain-addled from all the pot they smoke(d).

391 posted on 05/16/2002 4:50:56 PM PDT by Spiff
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To: VA Advogado
You both belong in the criminal justice system.

what a stupid thing to say. you are ridiculous!

394 posted on 05/16/2002 4:59:14 PM PDT by christine
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To: William Terrell
The rest of the probelm lies with the people, who don't take back their courts.

Aye, that is a big part of the problem. The other part is people electing statists and collectivists who expand government at every opportunity.

395 posted on 05/16/2002 5:00:53 PM PDT by Alan Chapman
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To: Poohbah

You can vote for the people who will impeach those judges and replace them with those more in line with your beliefs.

And who might those candidates be? The last time I checked the inmates throughout government are guarding the cellblocks. Who do you trust or respect or think would impeach judges now? That asked in light of the long track-record wherein the inmates have permitted them to remain on the bench.

396 posted on 05/16/2002 5:03:11 PM PDT by Zon
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To: sinkspur
There was no cause. Removing city employees from jury pools simply because they work for the city that is enforcing the law through a lawsuit sounds loony.

City employees have a vested interest (financial) in perpetuating the system. That makes them predujiced in favor of the state.

397 posted on 05/16/2002 5:03:17 PM PDT by Alan Chapman
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To: Zon
So elect somebody else.

Oh, that's RIGHT! (Snaps fingers.) That's just too much like that dreaded four-letter word W-O-R-K.

398 posted on 05/16/2002 5:04:43 PM PDT by Poohbah
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To: Alan Chapman
Congratulations. You just excluded everyone who pays taxes from the jury pool for any tax case. After all, they have a financial interest in lower taxes.
399 posted on 05/16/2002 5:06:00 PM PDT by Poohbah
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To: VA Advogado
Here is 'brain dead':

Posted by VA Advogado #337

"Upon what do you base such an attack on Mr. Grant? Please be specific."

Raising issues irrelvant to the court proceeding. Juries make decisions of facts. They don't issue rulings of law. - VA -

Over-ruled by three USSC chief justices. - Try again, va-advocate 'EXchoir'.

400 posted on 05/16/2002 5:10:54 PM PDT by tpaine
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